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I don't know about you, but do keep in mind that these are two very high level players. I think their opinions on the subject are valuable.
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Being high level plays only mean they are good at exploiting weakness of game balance, their opinion are worth even less because of the bias.
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Mg42 is fine as long as the axis player is smarter than his opponent because it has long deploy time and take year to aim.
Thankfully most allies player don’t understand you can just walk out of its firing range and attack from the side.
In a 1v1 situation with player being as good as the other, mg42 would definitely need a buff.
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Well, I guess I prefer airborne and just drop them in. It's not so 'straightforward' but it's not so hard either.
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In a 1v1 situation with player being as good as the other, mg42 would definitely need a buff.
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the maxim and the MG34 disagree with this statement
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If both MG42 and MG34 were available at T0 I would take MG34 any day.
The faster (?) build time and set up time along with
generally less buggy performance
is much better than the not-really necessary increased suppression and DPS. It's also a lot less devastating to lose an MG34 than it is to lose an MG42.
Of course, this is not to say either MG needs buffs or nerfs. They're both fine, learn to play against the MG42.
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90% sure MG34 sets up faster than the 42. When I speak of buggy performance I'm referring to the 42's traverse time and how the MG sometimes sets up when you don't want it to (which I experience a lot more on the 42 than the 34). Also, no need to doubt my preferences. I WILL take a T0 MG34 over a T0 MG42.
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A doctrinal work around hardly qualifies. By that logic the Pershing is more available than the king tiger because I prefer heavy cav and I don't believe we will find anyone who agrees with that. It's impossible to NOT have access to the mg34 whereas it is possible to have to side tech for the 50 cal
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90% sure MG34 sets up faster than the 42.
When I speak of buggy performance I'm referring to the 42's traverse time
and how the MG sometimes sets up when you don't want it to (which I experience a lot more on the 42 than the 34).
Also, no need to doubt my preferences. I WILL take a T0 MG34 over a T0 MG42.
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is suppression affected by accuracy? because if it is then MG34 suppression is abysmal at far in contrast to MG42 suppression... 0.35 vs 0.28 is significant...
and it kinda shows... the MG42 suppresses alot faster than the MG34 at far...
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It doesn't. Base suppression per second is calculated by ROF x suppression per bullet with the suppression threshold being 0.2. There are some factors that may influence this besides cover, but nobody really knows how that works. Presumably those are the same for all HMGs anyway.
It doesn't. Suppression max far range against neutral cover is 1.16s for the HMG 42 and 1.28s for the HMG 34. Barely a noticeable difference.
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do missed shots contribute to suppression?... ie if i mod a unit to have 0 accuracy and X suppression do they still suppress in Y time?
not sure if thats the case though... one can dip an engie into and out of MG34 cone without being suppressed... cant say the same for the 42....
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Accuracy has no effect on suppression. Vet 3 Rangers (lowest target size in the game) get suppressed just as fast as vet 0 Conscripts.
Not sure what you're trying to "prove" here. Set up a test scenario with squads being at max range and you'll see that the HMG 34 suppresses them basically just as fast as the HMG 42. The only differences are +0.07s ready/fire aim time and +0.12s suppression time for the 34, which is virtually unnoticeable ingame.
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Accuracy has no effect on suppression. Vet 3 Rangers (lowest target size in the game) get suppressed just as fast as vet 0 Conscripts.
You would really like CoH 1 then if you think the MG-42 is strong in this game
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lastly +0.12 suppression represents a 10% increase in suppression... plus theres the damage per shot of 3 vs 4 for the mg42... that is well worth a 4% price increase...
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