Conscript PPSH assault package

Jump back to quoted post3 Nov 2020, 22:31 PMVipper

You entitled to you opinion even when it wrong.

And here is replay of isildur beating Osttrupen Ostheer using the soviets at a top level game something that wouldn't happen if thing where any where close to what you describe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0gekQFP3r0&list=PL5Gq-kPFBcWFXhtEAxQWkSUUj-XK_f83n&index=6

Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2020, 00:49 AMSelvy289

Okay, comparing mp40 volks with conscripts ppsh I do think the volks upgrade is better also in performance (for those not knowing the volks mp40 grants a small 7% received accuracy modifier as well as grenades and smoke). Volks would beat ppsh cons at their ideal range to around 15-20 meters.

I would still consider giving ppsh cons a grenade to make it a assault package not a ppsh upgrade (no smoke because of sprint) and possibly fully kitting the squad out with ppshs (remove the weapon slot).

I dont think they need any hard benefits to their stats when they upgrade like the volks get, only on I consider is increase vet.

This would make them work well with 7 man cons.

Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2020, 00:59 AMgbem

why though? why dont we just outright buff the upgrade to be on par with volks MP40? i dont get why people really want SOV to have subpar upgrades and units... the exact same signs can be seen in the maxim thread...

Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2020, 01:06 AMSelvy289

Smoke is an absolute no go unless it disables sprint. I think the mp40 upgrade is locked behind first tec built. Ppsh is behind 2 cps and conscript shine with vet. It make sense to increase their veterancy gain when they upgrade by how much, would need to be tested.

Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2020, 00:03 AMVipper

After being burned to death again again from clow cars I am pretty sure most okw player would love to be to get faust as side grade without having to set up truck.

I have provided my opinion on Ppsh and on tech and have little to add.

Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2020, 01:19 AMgbem

i mean we could just bring cons ppsh to 6x ppsh... its alot easier and better for balance

Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2020, 01:22 AMSelvy289

I did stat that in my last post, but yes it would. I can see this working well with seven man cons.

Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2020, 01:20 AMthedarkarmadillo

I'm not arguing the advantage of side techs I'm arguing that cons undeniably cost more. Your claim was that volks cost more and I'm disputing that especially since it reads like you feel con ppsh should be inferior due to that incorrect belief.

Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2020, 08:26 AMVipper

Each unit has a cost Conscripts cost 240 and VG 250 those are simply facts. VG cost less manpower than Conscripts.

Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2020, 08:26 AMVipper

My point was never that PPsh should be inferior because VG are more expensive, my point is that OP is exaggerating and it has done so many thread.

Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2020, 09:15 AMVipper

I have nothing to say to you.

Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2020, 08:26 AMVipper

Each unit has a cost Conscripts cost 240 and VG 250 those are simply facts. VG cost more manpower than Conscripts. They both come without snares or grenades.

(edited a typo)

Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2020, 09:32 AMSelvy289

Please stop arguing with stats and play the game,

Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2020, 09:32 AMSelvy289

volks are 260mp (September 2019 patch, post 161).

https://community.companyofheroes.com/discussion/comment/288243#Comment_288243

Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2020, 09:32 AMSelvy289

Edit: I would give you a pass if it was about something more obscure but for mainline infantry for a faction, no.

Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2020, 09:59 AMVipper

I play the game quite allot thank you.

And thanks for the correction that make my point stronger.

Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2020, 10:05 AMSelvy289

I'm glad I boost your ego.

Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2020, 10:07 AMVipper

My ego was not affect at all.

And I already thanked you for your correction.

Can we now cut down on the personal staff that have little place in forum about a game?

Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2020, 10:21 AMSelvy289

I might of came a bit close.

Anyway, besides giving conscripts all ppshs, do you think its fair to give them a grenade (obviously not a good one). I mean it is just a ppsh upgrade coloured as a assault package.
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Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2020, 08:26 AMVipper

Each unit has a cost Conscripts cost 240 and VG 260 those are simply facts. VG cost more manpower than Conscripts. They both come without snares or grenades. it is a fact, rather a portion of the facts. The costs are right, and both do come without their snare/nade but cons will never get them without a dedicated extra cost that only serves to increase the price of the unit

One has to take into account the added cost of tech if it is necessary for a unit to become available. The rest is simply not so straightforward as each system has its pro and con. it's not cut an dried for Volks however like it is for cons as okw gets a number of things from teching up so the additional cost would either be spread out across those things or one could subtract what cons pay exclusively for their upgrades (as in unlocks no other units or upgrades) from okw first tech to find relative ground but all that does is show how much of a power spike okw gets for next to nothing early on.