Hit the dirt and 7 man is just plain awesome. That said, hit the dirt does have grenade dodge utility-even for ppsh cons.
its less of a grenade doge utility more of a grenade eat utility...
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Hit the dirt and 7 man is just plain awesome. That said, hit the dirt does have grenade dodge utility-even for ppsh cons.
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its less of a grenade doge utility more of a grenade eat utility...
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How.... ability that makes to immovable gives you nade dodge utility....?
its less of a grenade doge utility more of a grenade eat utility...
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Mostly this. Panic button to mitigate grenade damage a dodge a wipe. Poor wording i suppose but my point was that its useful against nades.
Odd you should respond to this comment though instead of my previous post.
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why should a unit`s usefulness be tied to veterancy? units need to be viable at vet 0 not at vet X..
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i like the idea of cons getting 2 choices stock, 3x ppsh OR 7th man, and perhaps make it doctrinal to get 6x ppsh's
or give 6x ppsh to penals as a stock alternative, don't think that would be too OP.
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Mostly this. Panic button to mitigate grenade damage a dodge a wipe. Poor wording i suppose but my point was that its useful against nades.
Odd you should respond to this comment though instead of my previous post.
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That's not ppsh performance, that's cons having strong vet, it would make even single DP look good, but it wouldn't change the fact single DP is bad itself.
PPSH cons perform well at vet3, but then again, any weapon will, given con vet.
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Yellow Cover only benefits you Vs small arms (marginal benefit vs direct fire explosives due to reduced accuracy).
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Explosive weapons generally do not use accuracy. So in general medium cover is worse than no cover versus AOE weapons because it makes models clump up, which makes them take more AOE damage from single hits.
As far as I know Hit The Dirt gives special bonuses though, namely -10% damage for -20% accuracy (and immunity to suppression), not a medium cover bonus (-50% received accuracy). So it does help versus grenades, but not a lot.
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Yeah, that's why I said "Direct fire" explosive weapons, and it being only a marginal benefit (And usually a detriment)
Tank shells sometimes do "hit" their infantry target, accuracy reductions make this less likely, which COULD help a squad... though it's pretty much infinitesimal.
Im going to go ahead and test Hit The Dirt now, and see if you are right. I'm reasonably sure it just provides Yellow Cover bonus, but I suppose it's best to be sure.
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Just tested, and in fact you were right, Sander. Hit The Dirt DOES give a 10% DR, along with whichever other bonuses.
Sorry Serrith, you're actually right. I was completely mistaken. Christ, why can't the information floating around about this game just be right for once?
Won't help against being oneshot by Bundle grenades though. Marginal help against the mid-far damage of such grenades however. The oneshot range of those grenades is actually the same as "regular" grenades, which is interesting to find out.
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Just tested, and in fact you were right, Sander. Hit The Dirt DOES give a 10% DR, along with whichever other bonuses.
why should a unit`s usefulness be tied to veterancy? units need to be viable at vet 0 not at vet X..
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Hey wait a minute! Damage reductions were removed off rangers because we didn't want them in the game!!!!!111!!!11!!!!11111!11!
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Hey wait a minute! Damage reductions were removed off rangers because we didn't want them in the game!!!!!111!!!11!!!!11111!11!
Conscript PPSHs are just power creeped out. They're ok, they're not 7-man or SVTs though. Also with how shocks are now and you can basically have any heavy you want with shocks in that doctrine there isn't a reason to use PPSH cons.
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Was probably because rangers at the time were probably the strongest elites in the game, and when the OP unit gets nerfed people can't abuse it anymore. It was just kinda hypocritcal literally next patch they then gave grens their damage reduction after saying they just wanted to remove it from the game. Keep in mind though that urban assault wasn't a doctrine yet, so the sprinting ranger zook blob wasn't a thing. It was pretty rare imo to see rangers wasted on super zooks when you could've had one of the best elites and jacksons backing it up.
I never really understood why people complained so much about rangers losing their DR. They're a large squad with fantastic firepower and good RA. Especially since they can equip SuperBazookas. A DR enabled AT squad was weird.
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Was probably because rangers at the time were probably the strongest elites in the game, and when the OP unit gets nerfed people can't abuse it anymore. It was just kinda hypocritcal literally next patch they then gave grens their damage reduction after saying they just wanted to remove it from the game. Keep in mind though that urban assault wasn't a doctrine yet, so the sprinting ranger zook blob wasn't a thing. It was pretty rare imo to see rangers wasted on super zooks when you could've had one of the best elites and jacksons backing it up.
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Ppsh will never be stock.
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