OKW needs redesign?

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2020, 01:50 AMGachiGasm

2) Without butchering healing too much, med crates should be moved to kubel, and it should be 1 crate not 3, for 10-15 munition. Right now there is no MP invesment (since you get SPs as starting unit), with creates moved to kubel, there would be MP invesment, allowing creates themself to become cheaper.
Healing shouldnt be teching factor, considering its a critical part of the gameplay.

This also will remove some pressure from STpios, aswell wont destoy OKW economy if you lose them.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2020, 01:50 AMGachiGasm

3) Mech HQ should be cheaper, around 30-40 fuel to be set up, while difference in price should go to AA unlock. This will help OKW inf play, with allowing faster obersts. LMG still will be locked behind AA unlock and have corrent timing.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2020, 02:37 AMSpoof

This will only make Battlegroup HQ even worse.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2020, 01:50 AMGachiGasm

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4) Raketen can remain cloak, while moving in clock should be replaced with something different.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2020, 07:35 AMVipper

RW can not move while cloaked contrary to other cloaked ATGs.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2020, 07:35 AMVipper

RW can not move while cloaked contrary to other cloaked ATGs.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2020, 09:45 AMGachiGasm

I belive it can with vet. Not with vet 1, but with like vet 3 or above I cant remember which one.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2020, 01:50 AMGachiGasm

2) Without butchering healing too much, med crates should be moved to kubel, and it should be 1 crate not 3, for 10-15 munition. Right now there is no MP invesment (since you get SPs as starting unit), with creates moved to kubel, there would be MP invesment, allowing creates themself to become cheaper.
Healing shouldnt be teching factor, considering its a critical part of the gameplay.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2020, 10:28 AMSerrith

I dont like the idea of putting med crates on the kubel because it would force you to get a kubel if you went mechanized HQ. That said i agree sturmpios need to have some of their utility dispersed.
Something that I/others have tossed around previously is giving volksgrenadiers a minesweeper package that uses up all weapon slots. The squad may or may not unlock repairs but if it does they would be slow repairs like conscript or pgren repairs(1hp per second per model).

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2020, 01:50 AMGachiGasm

Without butchering faction too much, I would only say that:

1) Fausts for sure should be unlocked on SWS deploy, while nades should be locked behind set up.

2) Without butchering healing too much, med crates should be moved to kubel, and it should be 1 crate not 3, for 10-15 munition. Right now there is no MP invesment (since you get SPs as starting unit), with creates moved to kubel, there would be MP invesment, allowing creates themself to become cheaper.
Healing shouldnt be teching factor, considering its a critical part of the gameplay.

This also will remove some pressure from STpios, aswell wont destoy OKW economy if you lose them.

3) Mech HQ Schwerer HQ should be cheaper, around 30-40 fuel to be set up, while difference in price should go to AA unlock. This will help OKW inf play, with allowing faster obersts. LMG still will be locked behind AA unlock and have corrent timing.

4) Raketen can remain cloak, while moving in clock should be replaced with something different.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2020, 10:45 AMGachiGasm

Its a lesser evil. Kubel is cheap, have very powerfull vet1 ability and in general can be quite usefull as a support unit and easily replaсable. On the other hand keeping meds on STs meaning that if you go for Mech and lose them along the major part of the game, you would have to spend 300MP which is huge at any point of the game.

My point is, its better to make a small change like this to healing, instead of trying to think whole another way of tech\upgrade healing system.

Speaking of sweeping, I honestly dont like the idea of sweeping volks. Because they are still way too expensive and weak un-upgraded to become sweeping unit imo.

STs sweeping is alright somehow, because at least your combat capability is un-effected. With volks you will be paying 260 MP, for an slightly better engineer squad, which still will be brutalised by anything but other engis units.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2020, 11:53 AMSerrith

Giving healing away doesn't help sturmpios much as its pretty easy to just drop a crate at base whenever you have to retreat them.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2020, 11:53 AMSerrith

If the utility isn't offloaded on existing units the only other solution is make Sturpios weaker and cheaper.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2020, 12:10 PMGachiGasm

Reason is not make ST life easier, but to make OKW life better in case if you have lost your STs and in munition preserving and distribution. Right now you are paying 1\2 muni of ost perma healing bunker, just for 3 heals strate of the bat. Getting kubel and having cheaper heals ones you need them, rather then not spending MP while having expensive healing, it better imo.


I was always proposing 270-280 ST, with 2 ass.grens MP40 and STG upgrade. Starting squad would still start with 4 STGs (so meta and power wont change), while getting additional STs for sweeping\mines\reps, will be more affordable.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2020, 11:53 AMSerrith

Giving healing away doesn't help sturmpios much as its pretty easy to just drop a crate at base whenever you have to retreat them.

On the other hand, sweeping specifically in 1v1 is one of OKWs biggest weaknesses. Sturmpios have to do so many things that you can't afford to have your sturmpios on mine clearing duty unlike any other engineer squad and one of the main reasons they are overburdened is because of their cost. 8 supply and 300 mp for a squad that has to sweep, repair, build wires/defenses, lay mines and offer direct combat support. Yes combat engineers have to do many of the same things but they only cost 170mp and 5 supply so you can afford to have an extra squad.

If the utility isn't offloaded on existing units the only other solution is make Sturpios weaker and cheaper.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2020, 11:53 AMSerrith

On the other hand, sweeping specifically in 1v1 is one of OKWs biggest weaknesses.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2020, 12:25 PMVipper

Sweeping for mines is an issue for OKW.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2020, 14:56 PMSpoof

Honestly, I think this is a good part of the meta balance. And putting sweepers on Volks will just make they even more shitty mainline infantry. Although the Uhu idea seems cool, at the same time it sounds silly to detect for mines with infrared scanners.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2020, 15:03 PMVipper

suggestions is that when activate the ability a number of automated engineers would step out of the vehicle and start sweeping for mine around it.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2020, 16:10 PMSpoof

I really wouldn't want to make it easier for OKW to sweep though. Sometimes you gotta use mines to trap OKW vehicles which are very deadly in the hands of players with good micro.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2020, 16:17 PMVipper

Well it might actually convince people to build the uhu because it does not see allot of use.