Why Soviets are OP

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 08:50 AMVipper

that is a bad design decision.

Jump back to quoted post23 Sep 2020, 20:58 PMelchino7

Then the faction is not OP (though u mention the intent of the title is to bring up discussion) but rather poorly designed.

SU vs OKW match up been skewed (in your opinion) would mostly be attributed to OKW problems rather than needing SU changes (IMO)
SU vs OH match up atm, i don't think there's a huge uphill battle till we talking about games making it pass the 25/30 min mark and Soviets manage to get on equal footing and have everything upgraded without losing vet on their units. At that point i don't think it's imba but rather than Soviets have an easier execution.

What i found amusing is that you are suggesting nerfs towards Soviets at the key moments they are at their weakest furthering increasing the problem.



I'm sure you realise the problem in logic behind this.

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 08:46 AMMr. Someguy

• Regular Army: Add 1 DP-28 to every Conscript Squad
  

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 08:46 AMMr. Someguy

• Shock Army: Add 2-3 PPSh to every Conscript Squad
  

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 08:54 AMGiaA

Well see it this way, there's a universal consensus that osttruppen and 5men are too strong. However if you fix these you gotta adress some of the Soviet Late game issues too. The entire reason I made this thread (apart from being bored) was that the soviet issues are rarely talked about because they get overshadowed by the early mid wehrmach powerspike.

Jump back to quoted post23 Sep 2020, 19:03 PMVonIvan

Why Soviets Brits are OP

Other than 6 man support weapons soviets are a generally rounded faction with strong late game that relies on superior numbers or tank destroyers/kv-2.

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 09:02 AMGiaA

I mean I could have made a thread about brits being op but that would just be preaching to the choir.

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 08:55 AMgbem

1 DP has almost half the DPS of an LMG-42... it probably has to be a higher performance DP variant with more DPS
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Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 08:54 AMGiaA

Well see it this way, there's a universal consensus that osttruppen and 5men are too strong. However if you fix these you gotta adress some of the Soviet Late game issues too. The entire reason I made this thread (apart from being bored) was that the soviet issues are rarely talked about because they get overshadowed by the early mid wehrmach powerspike.

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 09:05 AMgbem

the difference is the soviets and OKW are both the worst factions in the meta atm while the brits are one of the best... if you struggle as okw then the solution isnt to nerf the soviets but to buff OKW and the soviets...

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 09:59 AMullumulu

there is a good reason why cons have no nondoc weapon upgrade:
this is an utily squad with orrah, at nades, flame nades, merge, sandbags, mines, 6(even 7!!) models, super cheap
-> and this is their NONDOC abiltys!


imagine this squad get nondoc ppsh etc. it would be hilarious

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 10:03 AMVipper

Nope that leads to power creep.

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 10:59 AMKatitof

You do realize that 7th man is basically weapon upgrade for cons in the flavor of the faction?

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 11:51 AMgbem

not too good of a weapon upgrade... a 7th mosin nagant has 1/3rd the dps of a DP-28 and 1/5th the DPS of an LMG-42... sure it increases HP by a bit but the discrepancy is phenomenal...

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 11:55 AMKatitof

Upgrade increases DPS for remaining 6 models as well you know.