Why Soviets are OP

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 04:55 AMgbem

the fact that the soviets are rated low on the tournament/automatch means that youre wrong

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 12:05 PMachpawel

You are wrong. Read the whole article carefully. All paragraphs related to automatch mechanics and how the tiers visible on the graphs are created and all other details including q&a section. You will see how wrong Your conclusion is.

Imo it shows nothing related to overall strength of any faction.

What, however, it does show is how factions' strength are tourneys when most players win when playing as alliesand where they have to switch sides.

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 12:05 PMachpawel

You are wrong. Read the whole article carefully. All paragraphs related to automatch mechanics and how the tiers visible on the graphs are created and all other details including q&a section. You will see how wrong Your conclusion is.

Imo it shows nothing related to overall strength of any faction.

What, however, shows factions' strength are tourneys when most players win when playing as allies (and where they have to switch sides).

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 09:02 AMGiaA

I mean I could have made a thread about brits being op but that would just be preaching to the choir. I loathe brits as much as the next person. You actually think Soviets rely on tank destroyers? I mean get that you're not much of an ATGun guy but I feel like Su76 or Su85 play much less of a role than double zis in 1v1.

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 13:08 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Soviets are a joke, until you get to the lategame and they're finally a competent faction.

How someone can look at the Soviet early-mid game and think it's all good is absolutely beyond me.

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 13:16 PMCreativeName

flamer blobbing, mine spam, dshkas, guards/shocks, t70, svt cons

Soviets have alot good stuff in the early-mid game

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 13:16 PMCreativeName

flamer blobbing, mine spam, dshkas, guards/shocks, t70, svt cons

Soviets have alot good stuff in the early-mid game

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 12:08 PMgbem

ohh please stop trying to make excuses... general consensus of faction strength puts sov and OKW on the bottom and it takes a special amount of axis fanboyism to dispute that...

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 12:08 PMgbem

winrates are clearly in favor of UKF/USF/OST

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 12:08 PMgbem

and most top players agree that those 3 factions are strong while SOV and OKW are the weakest...

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 12:08 PMgbem

just buff OKW and SOV and be done with it...

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 13:25 PMT.R. Stormjäger

SVT shocks

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 12:15 PMKatitof

Tourneys do not follow meta.
They are not indicative of anything else but individual players ingenuity, micro and awareness skill.

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 12:15 PMKatitof

Also, the only, singular unit that was batshit insane during the last 2v2 tourney(no patch since it happened and game isn't balanced exclusively for 1v1 for years now, so its perfectly valid) was brummbar wrecking all
infantry based shit with impunity.

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 13:39 PMachpawel

Simply not true. Brumbar just executed what you suggested at the beginning of the post. The game was probably already won andyway as in the hands of a similarly skilled players tourneys show that allies win by a decent marigin.

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 13:41 PMgbem

why did you quote me??

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 13:21 PMgbem

all of those are doctrinal except flamers and mines... and even minespam wont save you tbh

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 13:25 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Flamer blobbing is true, mine spam is dependent on muni control and suffering early in map control can demolish mine spam, dshkas have the worst deathloop in the game by far and a very narrow arc, guards are good, shocks are map dependent, T70 is amazing but comes out 8-11mins depending on fuel income, SVT shocks means no mines whatsoever cuz you have to keep dropping SVTs and a Dshka after your flamer but I agree it's a good upgrade despite the drawbacks.

Soviets have a lot of good stuff but the Ostheer powerspikes are much better and OKW can easily win if you play the straight up before the T70 shows up. It's always a guerilla war against both factions early until you can actually come out ahead.

Which is why I find the entire thread hilarious, Soviets are far from OP and quite nonexistent in the 1v1 meta due to their matchup vs Osttruppen.

Jump back to quoted post23 Sep 2020, 10:15 AMCreativeName

Only speaking about 1v1 and 2v2:
Soviets have the strongest late game with very strong doctrines to fill the gap. the main problems are their pop cap, which is insanly efficient and the zis gun that can used as indirect when needed. Most other armies cant afford indirect in 1v1 as manpower and popcap are very tight.

Once the soviet army is set up with double zis, mines, t70, sandbags, 7man cons, mediums/heavy etc, it is very tough to almost impossible to break their line.
The problem is the synergy of their combined arms is simply stronger than any other army, so there isnt an obvious nerf that would fix this issue.

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 11:51 AMgbem

not too good of a weapon upgrade... a 7th mosin nagant has 1/3rd the dps of a DP-28 and 1/5th the DPS of an LMG-42... sure it increases HP by a bit but the discrepancy is phenomenal...

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 14:18 PMthedarkarmadillo

It makes merge work significantly better which is an unquanifiable boon to the faction. Cons are not supposed to be damage dealers. They are support for the damage dealers.

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 14:19 PMgbem

whats the damage dealer for the soviet midgame? is it supposed to be the maxim?

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 13:53 PMCreativeName

yes, alot of the strong soviet units/abilities are doctrinal... but how does that make the argument not valid in any way? Its exactly the same with every other faction, like ostruppen, 5man grens, wc51, valentine, commandos, pak howi drop etc. you need meta commanders to beat meta commanders

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 13:53 PMCreativeName

ostruppen are simply OP, i dont think anyone would argue about that and specially soviets suffer against them, that doesnt make the soviet early-mid game weak.