Can we plz "fix" the CalliOPe?

Jump back to quoted post3 Aug 2020, 04:26 AMachpawel

Having read all that imo its SPEED may be the answer to all problems.

It could be done in a few ways but the concept would be to make it the most heavily armoured but also the slowest among rocket arty units.

If calliope was, for example, 50% slower it could make it more vulnerable to AT stuff and would allow it to retain its armour. Some other ideas of slowing it down could be used (70% speed penalty after the barrage for 15 seconds, etc).

What do U guys think?

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2020, 10:02 AMProtos Angelus

In the original thread, Achpawel wrote:


And I think that should do the trick. Also it should be 100% at all ranges from P4.

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2020, 03:48 AMMr. Someguy

The problem with requiring it to use munitions is when you don't have them, you have a fat ass tank sitting around doing absolutely nothing but occupying popcap and taxing manpower income. I'm against units that require resources to use for that reason.

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2020, 14:12 PMthedarkarmadillo

That's why I'd have its main gun functional so it's not dead weight. Basically I'd have it act like Tulips but an AI barrage instead.

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2020, 14:15 PMSander93

That's impossible sadly, there are no firing animations for the gun.

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2020, 14:15 PMSander93

That's impossible sadly, there are no firing animations for the gun.

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2020, 14:40 PMSneakEye

It is possible though
I implemented it in the my mod.

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2020, 14:12 PMthedarkarmadillo

That's why I'd have its main gun functional so it's not dead weight. Basically I'd have it act like Tulips but an AI barrage instead.
Yoi get so many more ways to tweak then and ensure that it's powerlevel and cost effectiveness is where it's wanted.

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2020, 18:26 PMSkysTheLimit

I know realism isn't supposed to matter but it in this case it would bother me if they did that. The Sherman's main gun was pretty much useless when the launcher was mounted. There's stories of guys modifying it in the field to work, but the gun was always much less effective

I think using realism to say X should beat Y is dumb, but when it comes to whether or not something was even possible, I wish Relic cared a little more about realism

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2020, 19:42 PMthedarkarmadillo

It can still be made basically useless but still there. Less effective but there would be easier to balance than all in on durability give it low traverse speed and rof but something is better than nothing.
Hell even JUST a smoke shell would be better than nothing. Spread out its utility because a 140fuel rocket arty damn well needs to be good some how and if anything above a 2cm is going to pen it and kill it in 2 shots it better nuke everything in its barrage area-but that's not feasible by any means...

Its kinda like the isu balancing to me. People bitch and moan about the AP shells but it keeps the cost up and the AI down because it has more to flesh out the cost than just AI. if the calliope can bring more than JUST the barrage then it is easier to justify its cost. There are many metrics that CAN be applied if we widen the scope beyond its durability, barrage power and its price because the odds of all 3 being balanced and attractive are slim.

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2020, 19:42 PMthedarkarmadillo

It can still be made basically useless but still there. Less effective but there would be easier to balance than all in on durability give it low traverse speed and rof but something is better than nothing.
Hell even JUST a smoke shell would be better than nothing. Spread out its utility because a 140fuel rocket arty damn well needs to be good some how and if anything above a 2cm is going to pen it and kill it in 2 shots it better nuke everything in its barrage area-but that's not feasible by any means...

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2020, 19:42 PMthedarkarmadillo

Its kinda like the isu balancing to me. People bitch and moan about the AP shells but it keeps the cost up and the AI down because it has more to flesh out the cost than just AI. if the calliope can bring more than JUST the barrage then it is easier to justify its cost. There are many metrics that CAN be applied if we widen the scope beyond its durability, barrage power and its price because the odds of all 3 being balanced and attractive are slim.

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 17:18 PMdk828315

USF: best mainline, best TD, now best doctrinal artillery? God forbids me from having fun as Axis in team games.

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 17:18 PMdk828315

The easiest "fix" would be to limit this stupid thing to 1-2 per player and nerf its damn firing speed.
Seriously every damn game with USF I always see this kind of crap obliterating my infantry even when I hit the retreat button.
Remember when the Sturmtiger can shoot through shot blockers? This thing gives the same feeling as that, 10 times worse.
USF: best mainline, best TD, now best doctrinal artillery? God forbids me from having fun as Axis in team games.

Jump back to quoted post25 Sep 2020, 02:19 AMFireFlyAT

Do you know why you see so much Caliope in team games? Because without it, lategame USF has nothing for team games. Jacksons are easy to counter with pak walls / Super heavy. and Pakhowi is useless against Axis Rocket arty. Brumbär shreds infantry. So... either you dominate earlygame or you have to go RangerZooks + Caliope.

Jump back to quoted post25 Sep 2020, 05:40 AMVaz

This is what I don't understand about a lot of balance discussions here. You have axis with this crazy efficiency and no one bats an eye, but if USF(especially) has any decently efficient unit, it needs to be nerfed, then nerfed again. I've had instances of people in teamgames eliminating all or nearly all my infantry with a 2 (I think it was 2) PW salvo into retreat path/at base/ some rally/ etc. With how awesome axis AT options are, how does it make a difference that you have to have 3 shots on a caliope? It's not faster than panther. I know it's not bouncing panther shots. What in USF arsenal is going to trash a panther before it can get off 3 shots? 57mm bouncing tennis balls off the front? If I could send a sherman or jackson right in the front of a pakwall with the same chances as the panther to destroy a double health pw I wouldn't have a problem with pw having 2x health.

Jump back to quoted post25 Sep 2020, 02:19 AMFireFlyAT

Do you know why you see so much Caliope in team games? Because without it, lategame USF has nothing for team games. Jacksons are easy to counter with pak walls / Super heavy. and Pakhowi is useless against Axis Rocket arty. Brumbär shreds infantry. So... either you dominate earlygame or you have to go RangerZooks + Caliope.