Sander's personal balance changes

Jump back to quoted post22 Oct 2020, 14:56 PMPip

As someone else has said, I would personally rather any halftrack comes as-is, and without an infantry squad inside it. I'd rather have the option to build whatever infantry/the HT separately, rather than have to get both when I only want the HT.

Jump back to quoted post24 Oct 2020, 13:22 PMthedarkarmadillo

Ciuld always have the HT buildable in the HQ as well, but I think it would be neat being able to have access to the unique upgraded pgrens and grens in other commanders, but limited access.

Jump back to quoted post24 Oct 2020, 13:38 PMflyingpancake

I like this idea, more strategic options make the game more fun.

Jump back to quoted post24 Oct 2020, 15:06 PMSmartie

Assgrens replacing Riegel mines in "Storm" doc would also be a nice move. Assgrens+ Camo+offmap smoke - oh yeah, baby!

Jump back to quoted post25 Oct 2020, 06:56 AMAerohank

But.. I like riegel mines.

Jump back to quoted post24 Oct 2020, 10:34 AMJibberJabberJobber

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Jump back to quoted post24 Oct 2020, 10:34 AMJibberJabberJobber

Yeah, I agree the LeFH doesn't fit the doctrine. This was actually my original commander rework proposal in the thread you linked:

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With Fire and Advance being a timed ability that functions like Spotting Scopes with some additional benefits.

But if we are to get another patch, the changes should remain small, so everyone can agree upon them. Lots of small and safe changes is better than more drastic changes that would have more impact on balance and would thus require more testing and be fewer in number.

I don't think the LeFH fits the Storm Doctrine either, but that's the only other LeFH doctrine besides German Mechanized that's actually useful. If the LeFH got replaced on both doctrines because they're unthematic, you'd be softremoving the LeFH from Ostheer as a whole.

So that's why I only replaced 1 ability per commander. If it's ever within the scope of a future patch, 2 or even 3 ability replacements would be cool though.

Jump back to quoted post25 Oct 2020, 08:53 AMAerohank

Arty fits in Storm doctrine. All armies used to use arty in advance of their assaults for softening up the enemy.

Jump back to quoted post24 Oct 2020, 12:45 PMflyingpancake

The PPSH upgrade is worse compared to the SVT upgrade that cost the same muni, and worse compared to the 7 man upgrade that cost 10 muni less. If these 2 upgrades are balanced in you opinion (they are in mine) then the PPSH upgrade is underperforming or too expensive for what it does.

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2020, 04:35 AMSpoof

Problem is, Cons can sprint. How do they compare versus AssGrens? If giving Cons 6 PPSHs does more damage than AssGrens, then I think it would be too much. The question is if we should compare them to 5 man AssGrens or 6 man AssGrens.

I will say I like the idea of giving them 6 PPSHs. I hate it when SMG squads don't all have the same weapon.

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2020, 18:34 PMPip

There's no justifiable reason PPSH cons should be able to compete with Assgrens in terms of Damage, honestly. Cons would retain their snare, and their Sandbags, and their merge.

A better solution is to allow Soviets to call in Frontoviki squads, rather than make the PPSH itself a stronger upgrade. That, or allow it to be combined with Seven Man. Three PPSH already let cons beat non-assault squads when they close in, while not leaving them entirely defenceless at range.

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2020, 18:56 PMgbem

ehh when comparing cons PPSH to MP40 volks id say conscripts should most definitely get at least 4-5x ppsh... likewise im fine if cons PPSH competed against assgrens since its a 60 muni upgrade vs a 40 mp pricetag... plus grenade assault is superior to molly and doesnt require tech...

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2020, 18:56 PMgbem

plus grenade assault is superior to molly and doesnt require tech...

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2020, 19:32 PMSpoof

This is wrong. Yes, it is not a sidetech, and as an Ostheer player you have to tech up to Battlephase 1 anyway, but that's by the design of the faction. Assgrens also can't snare.

Conscripts with PPSHs also should not be able to out-DPS MP40 Volks because Volks cost more and are still not as versatile (although they do get a smoke grenade). More importantly however, MP40 Volks can't sprint. Cons with PPSHs that do more damage than dedicated MP40 squads AND can sprint would be a terrible idea.

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2020, 20:44 PMthedarkarmadillo

Volks cost more upfront but that's all you pay for them. Cons cost less upfront because they need an extra 205mp and 20 fuel to fully kit out.
Whats more, the Mp40 upgrade grants mp40s, smoke nades, normal nades and a target size reduction while the ppsh upgrade gives only ppshs (although the slot also gives hit the dirt to all cons, upgrade not required) so if the ppsh upgrade brought more dps it wouldn't really be an issue in the interbalance because the Mp40 upgrade gives more than just dps.

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2020, 20:49 PMSpoof

Ok, alright then. Just make sure the 6x PPSH DPS isn't insane (I don't know what the DPS of the Conscript PPSH is, but it feels pretty similar to the Shock PPSH) because the last thing I want are 6 man squads with more DPS than AssGrens sprinting around and deleting squads the second you see them.