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Mini Patch - June 22 2020

23 Jun 2020, 10:42 AM
#41
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Jun 2020, 10:29 AMVipper

I am not defending the design I am simply bringing it up.

One has to keep in mind that if unit A has better base that the unit B and unit B has better vet bonuses at vet 3 the 2 unit could be become equal.

What about the 4 other factions, which most definitely have at the very least half a dozen units with high base performance and high vet as well?

(For instance although number might no be up to date:
IS base target size 0.8 > Riflemen base target size 0.97
IS received accuracy vet bonus 0.78 < Riflemen accuracy vet bonus 0.77*0.85

IS target size at vet 3 0.62 slightly better than Riflemen target size at vet 3 0.64)
(or the famous myth about commandos and the vet bonuses)

That's cool and all, but rifles are not weaker then tommies overall from get go I'd argue they are better then 4 man tommies in all situations but blobbing and a-moving.


Points here are:
UKF used to had inferior vet bonuses
looking just at vet bonuses that not give the full picture.

Used to?
A whole plethora of UKF units lost their gimmicks and were brought down on the level of other units performance while keeping weak vet.
Comet could be prime examples here, its stats were brought down so much it needed vet addition.
And there are more units like that.
23 Jun 2020, 10:51 AM
#42
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Jun 2020, 10:42 AMKatitof

What about the 4 other factions, which most definitely have at the very least half a dozen units with high base performance and high vet as well?


That's cool and all, but rifles are not weaker then tommies overall from get go I'd argue they are better then 4 man tommies in all situations but blobbing and a-moving.

Now which part of the sentence "I am not defending the design I am simply bringing it up" you had trouble understanding so I can explaining it to you?

jump backJump back to quoted post23 Jun 2020, 10:42 AMKatitof

Used to?
A whole plethora of UKF units lost their gimmicks and were brought down on the level of other units performance while keeping weak vet.
Comet could be prime examples here, its stats were brought down so much it needed vet addition.
And there are more units like that.

Thank you varying exactly what I have posted. UKF units where original designed to be more powerful at vet 0 abut get less vet bonuses.




23 Jun 2020, 11:21 AM
#43
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jun 2020, 21:23 PMElpern
Im happy for a balance patch, but first off, why do this in the middle of a tournament? 2nd, what are some of these changes supposed to change?
Goliath
Now requires 1 Command Point
?????




The majority of players probably don't know there is even a tournament on.

The game isn't big enough to warrant delaying a patch for a small tournament.
23 Jun 2020, 11:33 AM
#44
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Jun 2020, 11:21 AMGrim
The game isn't big enough to warrant delaying a patch for a small tournament.


wot
23 Jun 2020, 12:45 PM
#45
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The durration of Perimeter Overwatch is cut in haft and sight was nefted, but it doesnt have any price reduction ?


would like to know what brit players would say if axis had such an ability
23 Jun 2020, 12:46 PM
#46
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Jun 2020, 11:21 AMGrim


The majority of players probably don't know there is even a tournament on.

The game isn't big enough to warrant delaying a patch for a small tournament.


This is a big tournament for a small game, there are so many games with way higher player counts that arent seeing a quarter of the competitive love this game gets. Appreciate it for what it is, delaying it a week wouldn't matter for them but matters for the players that appreciate the competetive side.
23 Jun 2020, 12:48 PM
#47
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would like to know what brit players would say if axis had such an ability

I suppose you are completely unaware of existence of reworked sector assault.
23 Jun 2020, 14:13 PM
#50
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Jun 2020, 10:09 AMLatch
Commando assault timing buff is going to be the next OP thing about UKF, especially in team games.


Assault was nerfed, not buffed.
23 Jun 2020, 14:17 PM
#51
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Valentine?
23 Jun 2020, 14:20 PM
#53
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Jun 2020, 12:46 PMElpern


This is a big tournament for a small game, there are so many games with way higher player counts that arent seeing a quarter of the competitive love this game gets. Appreciate it for what it is, delaying it a week wouldn't matter for them but matters for the players that appreciate the competetive side.


+1
23 Jun 2020, 14:41 PM
#54
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Jun 2020, 12:48 PMKatitof

I suppose you are completely unaware of existence of reworked sector assault.


do you mean that thing that cost 300 muni or the one with the shootable planes?
23 Jun 2020, 14:50 PM
#55
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jun 2020, 21:23 PMElpern
Im happy for a balance patch, but first off, why do this in the middle of a tournament?


As far as I know the patch has been deployed in consultation between Relic and AE and the referees.
23 Jun 2020, 14:51 PM
#56
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Jun 2020, 12:46 PMElpern


This is a big tournament for a small game, there are so many games with way higher player counts that arent seeing a quarter of the competitive love this game gets. Appreciate it for what it is, delaying it a week wouldn't matter for them but matters for the players that appreciate the competetive side.


Though I am impressed and very grateful with the work of everyone on this patch, I am fully with you. You should not change the game amidst an ongoing competition.

Particularly since those couple of 100 people interested and involved are the very heart of this community and one of the main reasons the game is in that decent state to begin with.
23 Jun 2020, 14:52 PM
#57
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One reason could also be that Relic is busy and they said patch either now or next time in two months?

However I was quite surprised by the patch, because there were no announcements, communications or major hints for that.
23 Jun 2020, 17:17 PM
#58
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However I was quite surprised by the patch, because there were no announcements, communications or major hints for that.


As well as me, despite my nickname is in changelog.
23 Jun 2020, 17:36 PM
#59
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Assault was nerfed, not buffed.


So it was, I read it wrong!
23 Jun 2020, 17:42 PM
#60
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would like to know what brit players would say if axis had such an ability

Good thing you don't have to wonder because ostheer actually does in that commander with concrete bunkers I think.

For the record I also think old perimeter overwatch was freaking cancer.
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