Mortar autofire/barrage change?
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they all do also fire slower with their auto attack already, athough this could probably be amplified a bit more to give the barrage a greater edge over the autoattack
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but mortars are already more accurate in barrage mode across the board (maybe except the mortar pit), especially with the vet3 scatter reduction.
they all do also fire slower with their auto attack already, athough this could probably be amplified a bit more to give the barrage a greater edge over the autoattack
I was quite surprised when I checked the editor and found that the barrage was usually just as accurate if not slightly more accurate in very few values. However here's where I think the issue occurs when using barrages vs autofire. Autofire only works when you either give an attack ground command, or when the mortar is doing its own work. When its doing its own work the mortar requires visibility of a target and therefore the FoW debuff doesn't apply, which is why autofire is significantly more accurate than when you're barraging an MG in the FoW.
So that being the case, I'm not sure removing the FoW debuff would be a good idea, however I think maybe a slight reduction in firerate in barrage inexchange for a lighter penalty from the FoW would be a start. The penalty is x1.25 scatter so maybe lowering it to x1.15 would be a start.
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I was quite surprised when I checked the editor and found that the barrage was usually just as accurate if not slightly more accurate in very few values. However here's where I think the issue occurs when using barrages vs autofire. Autofire only works when you either give an attack ground command, or when the mortar is doing its own work. When its doing its own work the mortar requires visibility of a target and therefore the FoW debuff doesn't apply, which is why autofire is significantly more accurate than when you're barraging an MG in the FoW.
So that being the case, I'm not sure removing the FoW debuff would be a good idea, however I think maybe a slight reduction in firerate in barrage inexchange for a lighter penalty from the FoW would be a start. The penalty is x1.25 scatter so maybe lowering it to x1.15 would be a start.
that's a very good point actually and i guess many newer players do not even realize there is something like a FoW penalty.
tuning this modifier would be an interesting alternative to just tinkering with raw scatter or rof values alone. plus, there are a few examples where this has already been done to good effect, e.g. the isu152 which has double the usual FoW penalty (2.5), so reduced FoW scatter for mortar barrages seems worthwhile to test at least.
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If you want to use your indirect, use it.
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Currently you can sit an MG team under mortar barrage and often not even need to replace because the rounds will miss most of the time. You're lucky if you kill half a MG crew.
Previous issue was players going double mortar and leaving them behind a house somewhere to rack up zero micro autofire kills. So surely the fix should have been to nerf autofire?
I don't see why barrage got hit by nerfs too.
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I was quite surprised when I checked the editor and found that the barrage was usually just as accurate if not slightly more accurate in very few values.
Keep in mind that barrages get significantly better reload. The GrW 34 for example has roughly 10,6s autofire reload and 5,5s barrage reload.
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If anything, I'd say trade a nerf in autofire reload for a buff in barrage recharge.
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first of all mortar shells should do proper damage to friendly units
Not only mortar shells - all artillery/grenades should do the same.
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I'd rather their be no auto fire at all and only barrage, placing a mortar/leig/pit etc 'safely' in a contested area and having it fire whilst you micro elsewhere is too cheesy for me.
If you want to use your indirect, use it.
There is already the safety vs accuracy dynamic. A mortar firing safely from max range isn't worth it as the accuracy of indirect units is rather bad at long ranges. If you want to get value out of a mortar, you already have to micro it to stick closely behind your units and manually target / barrage the units you need to hit.
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first of all mortar shells should do proper damage to friendly units. seen it countless times: mortar pits shelling into close combat, wiping enemies and just ignoring friendlies
Not only mortar shells - all artillery/grenades should do the same.
this would make a lot of sense from a realism perspective, but i'm afraid it would open the door to a lot more and easier teamkilling and related shenanigans... not sure this would be worth the price for a bit more immersion
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this would make a lot of sense from a realism perspective, but i'm afraid it would open the door to a lot more and easier teamkilling and related shenanigans... not sure this would be worth the price for a bit more immersion
I agree to some extend with the fact that some risks are involved when introducing it. But the current damage modifier is just too generous for the owner of the ability. I feel that changing it a bit towards more damage for the friendly unit staying inside the barrage/mortar/grenade aoe would be fine. Would introduce some more intended imo game dynamics.
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teamkilling is a reportable offense which is punished accordingly. this cannot stand in the way of balancing (should this be a balancing issue)
I assume he means accidental teamkilling caused by imperfect team coordination. It would be especially bad in big team games, where indirect is much more abundant. You'd have to worry about indirect from both your teammates and enemies.
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so you actually have to think about what youre doing instead of mindlessly barraging the entire map.. oh no
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yes, whats the problem?
so you actually have to think about what youre doing instead of mindlessly barraging the entire map.. oh no
yeah, good luck coordinating every single mortar attack with up to three (random) teammates.
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