Close the pocket

Jump back to quoted post18 May 2020, 14:41 PMthedarkarmadillo

So what you see saying is you literally have to defend one of 2 spots and the ability will do nothing... But you don't want to so the ability punishes that....
The smallest amount of effort and toy won't lose 4 armies worth of units plain and simple. It's as counterable as can be. 250mp across 4 players isn't too much to ask...

Jump back to quoted post18 May 2020, 18:31 PMelchino7

How much dmg does the Stuka Dive bomb (not the one in the close the pocket commander) to a cache?

And if the Cache is destroyed, does it also neutralise the point?

Jump back to quoted post18 May 2020, 18:31 PMelchino7

How much dmg does the Stuka Dive bomb (not the one in the close the pocket commander) to a cache?

And if the Cache is destroyed, does it also neutralise the point?

Jump back to quoted post18 May 2020, 19:06 PMDarkpiatre

Stuka Dive bomb don't even One-shot caches, they remain with like 1/5 of their HP

Jump back to quoted post18 May 2020, 19:06 PMDarkpiatre

Stuka Dive bomb don't even One-shot caches, they remain with like 1/5 of their HP

Jump back to quoted post18 May 2020, 15:07 PMMusti

No, what I'm saying is that setting off the ability in 4vs4 AT is very easy and not some genius 4D chess move like you seem to be arguing. It's literally 8 clicks between 4 players (as in 2 clicks per player) to set it off with the right commander combination, even with the caches on cutoffs and assuming the enemy perfectly figures out your strat and responds accordingly, the best you can do is cancel it early by capping the point back. Assuming of course that the enemy team knows whats going on in the first place, because you can try being extra sneaky and never show them storms etc. so they can only guess if they have CTP to worry about or not.

I'm not even arguing for the ability to be nerfed, I'm just giving instructions on how to cheese your enemy with it and how easy it is XD.

Jump back to quoted post18 May 2020, 22:08 PMthedarkarmadillo

So step 1 is have a 4 man pre-made and coordinate against another 4 players who are incapable of defending 2 points. This Def sounds like it needs looking into

Jump back to quoted post18 May 2020, 22:44 PMRosbone

I have used CTP with Randos plenty of times on Red Ball from the south. There are buildings near the NorthWest Cutoff, or stuka drop, or cap with tanks. And the NorthEast cutoff is easy to attack since that side is always contested from South.

The question is "How does it affect new players?" Not, is it hard to do. Is it worth alienating new players for a gimmicky meme?

A well designed game has these little games within a game ideas.

Jump back to quoted post19 May 2020, 09:19 AMDarkpiatre

I didn't count any reco needed for the Stuka Dive bomb either, which lead to a price higher than the supremacy ( and i'm sure dropping 3 supremacy is easier than 1 Close the Pocket for a similar price and results).

Jump back to quoted post19 May 2020, 09:32 AMKatitof

Encirclement stuka doesn't require FoW.

Jump back to quoted post19 May 2020, 09:39 AMSupremeStefan

If this ability is balanced can we add this to alies too? Just imagine all okw trucks start to disappear just because one dude click one button lol
ultimate tactic ony for pros pls no nerf it

Jump back to quoted post19 May 2020, 09:19 AMDarkpiatre

Well, if I remember correctly all prices, such coordinated strat require: (80+200)*2+200=760 mun for 1 Close the Pocket on 2 cut-off map.

Jump back to quoted post19 May 2020, 09:51 AMEsxile

Allied abilities that could wipe anything have been purposely nerfed so it wouldn't happen again.

Again I can't help but compare this topic and people arguments with the RAM-IL2's various topics. It is fine and only skill when you manage to pull out a CTP but OP and no skill needed when its a RAM-IL2 combo.

Jump back to quoted post19 May 2020, 09:52 AMSupremeStefan

Then tactical nuke for 800 muni will be balanced too
Now u get it ?