IL2 Precision strike seems uncounterable

Jump back to quoted post2 May 2020, 09:55 AMKieselberg

Can we come back to the topic?

Can someone test, wether single strafe planes can be shot down, while having to fly over the whole map? In doint care wether one has to use, 20 aa guns. I think, that we should clarify wether it is possible or not. Right now, we only have suggestions.

Jump back to quoted post2 May 2020, 10:47 AMVipper

Stuka dive bomb that does not use a plane.

Jump back to quoted post2 May 2020, 09:45 AMVipper

Load the game and try the unit you will see that Valentine has an "observation mode" that should be used when trying to call in barrage to prevent firing and giving away the position.

In addition it gets extra vision at vet 1.

Now pls stop you silly crusade I am sure moderator have better thing than dealing with you.

Jump back to quoted post2 May 2020, 15:02 PMGrumpy

LOL - you make several misleading statements, get called on it, and now you're implying that the moderators are going to come to your rescue? Um, good luck with that.

As for OP, why is only the IL2 being uncounterable a balance problem? The similarly priced Railway, Stuka, and 280mm do the same thing, have no counters, but somehow don't create a balance problem?

Jump back to quoted post2 May 2020, 15:02 PMGrumpy

LOL - you make several misleading statements, get called on it, and now you're implying that the moderators are going to come to your rescue? Um, good luck with that.

As for OP, why is only the IL2 being uncounterable a balance problem? The similarly priced Railway, Stuka, and 280mm do the same thing, have no counters, but somehow don't create a balance problem?

Jump back to quoted post2 May 2020, 15:19 PMCrecer13

That is, there is no problem. Other factions have artillery strikes with a similar price with similar productivity or a dive strike in which there is no plane at all and they cannot be counteracted, but no one is discussing this. There is no problem and no sense for the topic.

Jump back to quoted post2 May 2020, 09:55 AMKieselberg

Can we come back to the topic?

Can someone test, wether single strafe planes can be shot down, while having to fly over the whole map? In doint care wether one has to use, 20 aa guns. I think, that we should clarify wether it is possible or not. Right now, we only have suggestions.

Jump back to quoted post2 May 2020, 15:25 PMDarkpiatre

Well the others are arty: cover a different type of area, have a more spread damages and take longer to land. While IL2 Bombing has no RNG involve because it is a fix patern and can be as good as regular Arty against structure while being really good against tank (1 strike seems close to Oneshot an heavy tank).

So you end up with a faster, more reliable/precise tool which is more versatile. And since the best comparison seems to be the Stuka dive, I think it can't actually One-shot any medium and above tank (I wonder if it is enough to kill a light though).

So if the IL2 is invincible like the Stuka, stuka dive have nothing more than having a long loud song instead of red flares while being worst against tank.

Conclusion: IL2 is better while having no drawback/counter.

And that is a Balance issue.

Jump back to quoted post2 May 2020, 18:18 PMGrumpy

No, not really, unless you believe that everything Axis has to be clearly superior to anything Allied.

Also, are you really sure that the IL2 is faster than the Stuka, 280mm, and railway? I'd be that at the edge of the map, they are comparable (the IL2 might be faster, but would need a stopwatch to tell) but in the middle of Steppes the IL2 is probably slower. In any event, does a second or two difference in the time to counter really create a balance issue?

Jump back to quoted post2 May 2020, 09:41 AMKatitof

And... how its 35 sight range good compared to all other non scout units normal 35 sight range?
There really isn't lower sight range then 35, so how is it good on valentine, but standard on anything else?