Elite Panzerschreck

Storm troopers AI suck when they have a Shreck.

So, when storms sacrifice 25% of DPS, their DPS sucks, but when penals do the same to 33% of their DPS, they are still formindable force mhm, double standard much?

Panzerschreck pen 160-180 damage 120
bazookas pen 100-130 damage 100
Nazi boys "not elite enough"

also cost is the same
also faces A LOT less armored targets

Don't mind him, he's just trolling.

No, I made a brief comment why I think Schrecks should not be buffed. You choose to treat it as trolling, so be it.

What? Zooks and schrecks could potentially 1 shot tanks IRL and ingame there's no chance of that. Historical accuracy means very little when regarding balance.

You should distinguish a squad that can defend itself from a LV with a single Schreck from a squad that has 2 Schrecks that can fight armor effectively. Single Schreck is already better AT than 2 PTRS and takes away less weapons from your squad which is a balance case. You want your inf not to be harassed by LV, give them Schreck, just don't expect it to be insane. Not everything needs to have an elite variant in the game.

would you please stop your bias and do something everyone here do, that is READING?
And cut the BS and the PTSD, you can simply DISLIKE it.

You should not talk about bias. Have you ever thought that maybe single-schreck infantry is not supposed to fight armor effectively but rather repel LV? Schreck on SP is there because it can't be on Volks and remain balanced. It's also 1 because it's an engineering unit and not a PG. Schreck on Partisans is to ambush and kill LV it's not supposed to be used efficiently vs medium armor, these guys are partisans ffs. Finally Stormtroopers have cut-off potential and their Schreck can be used for destruction of fighting positions, caches or LV self-defense. Making single Schreck squad more efficient at firing their Schreck than other units is just weird.

Panzerschreck pen 160-180 damage 120
bazookas pen 110-130 damage 80
Nazi boys "not elite enough"

fixed


Look at these folks, they didn't know a single Schreck would perform better!

ppl saying rejecting this idea because it "sounds wrong" is stupid reason. This is a very good idea by op.

You should not talk about bias. Have you ever thought that maybe single-schreck infantry is not supposed to fight armor effectively but rather repel LV?

if it cant fight effectively, how it supposed to repel it? your contradicting yourself here. Right now LV's and Mediums literally drive up to single shrek squads without any fear. Do you see axis lights and meds diving into single bazookas or ptrs? no because those squads not only have better rate of fire but almost always can snare too.

I like how when ppl compare bazookas or PTRS to shreks, they never take into account snares which can lead vehicles into sitting ducks. The change suggested by OP will only Slighty improve single shrek performance, wont even make that much difference and look at how ridiculous all of you are acting.

Do you see axis lights and meds diving into single bazookas or ptrs?

There is 0 reasons to run over ptrs,stay in front of it and kill it

Unprotected rears and rangers with bazookas can can be rushed as easy as Panzerschreck squad

they never take into account snares

Take into account that every squad that have snare,going to have shitty AT weapon

You should distinguish a squad that can defend itself from a LV with a single Schreck from a squad that has 2 Schrecks that can fight armor effectively. Single Schreck is already better AT than 2 PTRS and takes away less weapons from your squad which is a balance case. You want your inf not to be harassed by LV, give them Schreck, just don't expect it to be insane. Not everything needs to have an elite variant in the game.

And 2 PTRS are better AI than 1 or even 2 schrecks. Just because 1 is better in a certain area doesn't mean other benefits don't exist. All of the PTRS variants have added bonuses on their squads that allow them to addional means of fighting vehicles, as opposed of the single schreck sturm squad that gets nothing. Con PTRS gets AT volley, penals get AT satchel, and guards with DPs can button. All of those force vehicles to retreat, but nothing on sturms forces a t70 to retreat.

And 2 PTRS are better AI than 1 or even 2 schrecks

nah,only ptrs that can hit infanty is guards,you can call others better than schreck but still same shit

as opposed of the single schreck sturm squad that gets nothing

They also lose almost nothing,still have camo,elite mp40 still dangerous,they also have detect vehicle ability after upgrade
Still can beat squads from ambush,still have smoke for self defence,and now they can HELP deal with vehicles

but nothing on sturms forces a t70 to retreat.

They forces t70 to not go on rampage inside your packs,main role of AT infantry is defending and proper AT guns role is to forcing to retreat

nah,only ptrs that can hit infanty is guards,you can call others better than schreck but still same shit


They also lose almost nothing,still have camo,elite mp40 still dangerous,they also have detect vehicle ability after upgrade
Still can beat squads from ambush,still have smoke for self defence,and now they can HELP deal with vehicles


They forces t70 to not go on rampage inside your packs,main role of AT infantry is defending and proper AT guns role is to forcing to retreat

Sturm = Sturmpioneer, not stormtrooper.

Sturm = Sturmpioneer, not stormtrooper.

Whatever,role of their Panzerschreck is the same as stormtrooper

All of those force vehicles to retreat, but nothing on sturms forces a t70 to retreat.

Mines? I know they get those already, but you are comparing an engineer squad to ones who's only role is fighting

Ptrs Cons especially are absolutely worthless against anything other than vehicles once they get upgraded. Amazing against vehicles for sure, but Sturms keep more of their AI dps, still have stun grenades, etc

Didn't read,

I thought panzershreck is already elite panzershreck, considering stats vs any other handheld AT weapon in game. Also, what would happen if they were to drop it? Wouldn't better solution be to tailor vet bonuses to support the weapon better, like guards have/used to have 10% increased pen for PTRS?

Reload vet would probs make stom with g43's or mp40's/ sturms with stg's quite OP.

obers are the way: make it upgrade able with double schrecks and Faust...so an AT specialist. upgrade-cost: 150muni

Panzershrek dont need to be "elite"

enough strong

obers are the way: make it upgrade able with double schrecks and Faust...so an AT specialist. upgrade-cost: 150muni

Nice joke

Panzershrek dont need to be "elite"

enough strong

Need is an arbitrary term I simply dislike in your sentence. The is no need for elite bazookas because USF has Jackson's, yet they exist. There is no need for UKF snare on RE, because they had a stock heavy AT emplacement and firefly alpha damage, yet players demanded it. There is no need to have something unless you play the faction...

An elite shrek is an interesting concept that stems from the squad training and it being reflected in the performance of their weapons

OP's idea would make it worthwhile to get your sturmpio's or stormtroops a singleshreck, at this moment it really is a waste of munitions.

With a view to team games I'll have to vote 'no' to this idea.

I can see the merit for 1v1 perhaps.