Why does rak need retreat?

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 17:20 PMRiley

Axis fans have only Jackson on their minds. You probably see the M36 in a dream. More precisely, in nightmares. Why did you remember Jackson again?

m1 there is no need and has 60 range, having such a terrible penetration. When there is no guarantee that it will hit even Panzer 4. Therefore, I would prefer to have a copy of the rak.

And the gun would still be more useful, because:
1) It can enter the building
2) Can go back to the base
3) Has camouflage on the first vet.
4) It is located in t0. (A very important parameter, because it’s enough to build only one headquarters later to have AT weapons and MG at the same time, the American needs to build two headquarters for this, because in t0 they have the worst mortar in the game, although it had to be the best because you have to fight mg42)
5) Has 5 people
6) The rak has a target size of 10, others has 20.


Feature m1 remained only (With a range of 55 and penetration like rak)
1) A wider angle of fire.

Such a difference in features certainly indicates a lack of impartiality on the balance team. Yes, and as far as I know, the relic itself has long forgotten this game, and handed it over to axis lovers.

Well, army of axis fans, attack me now and say I'm wrong. I will defend myself with the three units you hate, Jackson, Scott, and the Pack Howitzer.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 17:30 PMStug life

that's a problem not an advantage, it does not protect u form projectile

Jump back to quoted post8 Feb 2020, 04:35 AMkonfucius

double raketen blob is one of the most obnoxious things in the game right now

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 17:20 PMRiley

Axis fans have only Jackson on their minds. You probably see the M36 in a dream. More precisely, in nightmares. Why did you remember Jackson again?

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 17:38 PMRiley

But this makes it difficult to destroy guns. Tanks often miss when you want to destroy the gun itself.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 18:16 PMStug life

generally u want to steal the enemy gun and destroy ur owns, but it's still a disadvantage for the weapon team performance

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 18:23 PMT.R. Stormjäger

In fairness you can’t always steal a team weapon. Decrewing one and attack moving to quickly destroy it is a legit tactic. Not taking sides, just saying this is quite usual.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 18:54 PMSkysTheLimit

Especially for AT guns. They are usually further back than MGs so they are harder to steal and if it's not a Rak you can't retreat

I honestly think I destroy more AT guns than I steal. MGs it's the opposite

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 18:23 PMT.R. Stormjäger

In fairness you can’t always steal a team weapon. Decrewing one and attack moving to quickly destroy it is a legit tactic. Not taking sides, just saying this is quite usual.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 19:09 PMStug life

well with puppchen it has to be a bit further (range) and u can just steal and retreat

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 19:17 PMSkysTheLimit

Yeah the fact that you can retreat it means it should be getting stolen less often, not more. It should be getting decrewed less in the first place...

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 19:22 PMStug life

no i just mean it is easier to steal it

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 19:27 PMSkysTheLimit

You mean it's easier to steal if we assume it has been decrewed already.... What I'm saying is it's easier to keep alive in the first place, to prevent it from ever being stolen

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 20:32 PMEsxile

Wasn't the 5th guy added to mitigate the absence of shield? Why the camo isn't a timer ability doesn't and cost munition like any other Atgun Vet1 abilities?

Retreat could go, camo stay munition free and we have a well balanced unit.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 20:48 PMStug life

yes that's the point we were discussing the target size of the weapon

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 19:09 PMStug life

well with puppchen it has to be a bit further (range) and u can just steal and retreat

other at gun obvs can't so it's more difficult

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 22:06 PMSkysTheLimit

You were but then you said this:


Saying it's more difficult to steal other AT guns because you can't retreat right away is a worthless point. The same reason it's easier to steal a decrewed Rak is the reason it's harder to decrew the Rak in the first place...

AT guns shouldn't retreat period, and I don't think any unit that can't be suppressed should be able to either

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 23:27 PMStug life

but at guns are more protected from explosive thanks to the gun hotbox and shield sander already showed it the extra men and retreat are there cause of it and 5 less range, I'm more than happy for another at gun clone with 4 men and green cover

edit: u can actually see my pupopchen proposal in my post hisroty, basically a m57 but diffrent vet and stationary camo instated of munition ability for pen , vet would give bonuses to first strike , like Vcoh pak 38

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2020, 03:07 AMFelixTHM

Everyone gonna continue ignoring the fact that the raketen 100% needs to be in T0 if Volks don't have faust from the start.