COH2 winter balance mod - discussion

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2020, 12:19 PMblvckdream

Ah. The "getting rammed is the player's fault" non-sense again. Absolutely crazy how people can keep saying this. It's like they don't even play the game. The IL2 rocket strafe in competent hands is completely OP. The only way you could say it isn't is if you were super bad and played against elo-players that don't know what they are doing. I would go as far as saying the ram + IL2 rocket combo is the most cheesy strategy in COH2 at the moment.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2020, 13:28 PMSander93

The Crocodile and AVRE (and Sturmtiger) are still 9CPs on purpose because they are not conventional heavy tanks and at the moment we don't think it's necessary to bump their CP requirements.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2020, 12:19 PMblvckdream

The IL2 rocket strafe in competent hands is completely OP.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2020, 14:19 PMT.R. Stormjäger

You don't think the AVRE is too good for 9CP?

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2020, 12:16 PMAcidfreak

If they remove the il2 rocket strafe then the commander will be officially dead.
Aiming the rocket strafe requires some skill and it is extremely easy to dodge the strafe. Not to mention it huts the world objects like a house or tree nearly half the time. If the t34 rams you or you get engine crit then its the player's fault. Enemy team sacrificed a 300 mp 90 fuel plus 100 ammo incase of il2 rocket and 200 in case of il2 precision bombing to kill a tank.

If it gets nerfed (it was nerfed before. Airborne guards suppression was nerfed too while in testing) then iMO the commander will be useless.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2020, 12:29 PMT.R. Stormjäger

IL2 rocket strafe should be a loiter, just like the JU87 AT strafe.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2020, 14:48 PMZeroZeroNi

Are you crazy that thing is so powerful as it is. It's not easy to dodge and it kills panthers. IF the ju87 could kill is2/pershings in 1 burst people would loose their shit. How can you even want that??

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2020, 14:51 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Dude just stop. It’s a nerf, not a buff. The current one is way worse, unless you think the USF P47 rocket strafe is better than the JU87 strafe.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2020, 14:46 PMZeroZeroNi

Buddy that strafe is not easy to dodge and for 100m + ram mu you can kill a panther/tiger m8. That thing is OP.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2020, 15:10 PMZeroZeroNi

How is ti a nerf. The only reason p47 suck cus it cant hit anything while the ju 87 never misses.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2020, 15:40 PMAcidfreak

Actually it is.
1. It only works on engine damage or slow tanks.
2. Just move ur tank out of the plane pathway.
3. If you are in competent to move sideways go forwards instead of continuing reverse.

4. Its penetration is low. Works best only from behind tank and its not a guarantee all rockets would actually hit.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2020, 15:45 PMZeroZeroNi

Dude i killed many panthers and tigers using this. When you time your ram and activation on the ability + angle of approach(from behind) it's impossible to dodge cause even the stun caused by the ram will hold the tank in place long enough to get it destroyed.
+ on corners of the map even if you react the moment you see the smokes you still you get hit by the rockets with out question specially if your stationary or have to change direction.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2020, 15:48 PMAcidfreak

Well then if you think its OP what suggestions do you have for soviet airborne???

Because this was in the game long before airborne commander. It was il2 precision bombing. That's more reliable anyway.

Look if Sturm tiger and Avre can delete multiple squads in one rocket then i don't know what is more cheesy.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2020, 15:54 PMZeroZeroNi

Well for starter increase the cost to 160m for now.
IL2 Precision takes a lot longer to get in the map. It's more reliable but it's more costly as well.
Cus infantry is not(nowhere near) as costly as vehicles are. loosing 240-380mp + 60-150 muni in an instant is no where near as much a set back as loosing 500mp 180f to 630mo 230f units.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2020, 14:29 PMLago

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The AVRE and Sturmtiger are countered by any medium armour that doesn't sit still to get hit, so it doesn't need that delay.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2020, 15:48 PMAcidfreak

Well then if you think its OP what suggestions do you have for soviet airborne???

Because this was in the game long before airborne commander. It was il2 precision bombing. That's more reliable anyway.

Look if Sturm tiger and Avre can delete multiple squads in one rocket then i don't know what is more cheesy.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2020, 17:13 PMVipper

PzIV can not counter an AVRE in realastic in game scenarion.

ST would be equally tough to counter with meduims is it performance was not so incosistant.