The Cancer That Is Soviet Field HQ

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2020, 13:27 PMaerafield

there is picking and counterpicking in coh2. Its the same with howitzers... dont cry about howitzer spam if nobody in your team has a doctrine with offmap strikes to destroy them.

If not, well then the person didnt think their loadout through enough or didnt pay attention to the enemy commanders in load screen. And about newer players: Im sure one mortar halftrack doc is part of the free basekit for Wehrmacht

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2020, 14:11 PMblvckdream

That only works when both doctrines are viable. Picking OKW Firestorm just to counter Soviet HQ is never gonna work because the doctrine is so vastly inferior to Urban Defence that you are never gonna win anyway unless the opponent is way worse than you. But then again OKW has basically only one or two viable doctrines anyway.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2020, 14:32 PMShadowLinkX37

While I agree that countering a doctrine with another doctrine is a decent enough game design, the fact that urban defense is an attempt at cheeseing your opponent out early, but still has the security of lategame with the KV-2 is rather toxic. If firestorm had a lategame callin (and no the hetzer isn't counting) then I'd say it be equally offensive.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2020, 14:43 PMaerafield

Thats a completely different topic. During the feedback phase of the commander revamp more than a year ago I pointed out multiple times that this doctrine does not need a lategame KV2

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2020, 14:33 PMT.R. Stormjäger

There’s other OKW doctrines:

Overwatch - Goliaths and arty
Scavenge - Call in arty
Elite Armoured - ST
Fortifications - Arty
Breakthrough - JT

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2020, 14:43 PMaerafield

Thats a completely different topic. During the feedback phase of the commander revamp more than a year ago I pointed out multiple times that this doctrine does not need a lategame KV2

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2020, 16:23 PMWingZero

I think the problem was the commander runs out of steam once LEFH is on the field and we see this in every 3 v 3 and 4 v 4 games. The majority of the abilities in the old version of the commander helped early/mid game and was meh late game.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2020, 17:08 PMaerafield

which is arguably much better design. You had insanely strong early and mid game if you executed it correctly but if your opponent played smart and survives long enough you were kinda screwed.

This is better design than this "oh great I have a swiss knife commander during the whole game now" like we see on some other docs like Jaeger Armor for wehrmacht

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2020, 17:21 PMelchino7

The problem has always been stone strong buildings, not the ability per se.

Setting building on flames have never been properly addressed.
Not giving all factions flame weapons of some kind by default has just PARTIALLY been addressed.

• Add a "neutralize" ability which takes 10-15 seconds. This resets the building.
  
• Disallow FHQ'ing buildings over a certain garrison size, and/or material type.
  
• Make FHQ's harder to build: Must be in territory, AND have a long "setup" time that can be cancelled/interrupted.
  

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2020, 21:09 PMthedarkarmadillo

If it can be neutralized in 15 seconds the price is going to have to go WAY down. Comparable cost would be getting next to a okw med truck and it dissolving. Now that the aura isn't a passive and it requires being in supply to convert I don't see it as nearly the same cheese it used to be.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2020, 21:09 PMthedarkarmadillo

If it can be neutralized in 15 seconds the price is going to have to go WAY down. Comparable cost would be getting next to a okw med truck and it dissolving. Now that the aura isn't a passive and it requires being in supply to convert I don't see it as nearly the same cheese it used to be.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2020, 00:12 AMKatitof

In coh1 they were also dirt cheap and non doctrinal.
Up for that as well?

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2020, 08:19 AMTh3DankDuck

Well yes they was cheap but really easy so destroy the only thing that can counter tanks from it if they make an at gun

Edit they could just make them only commander

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2020, 08:23 AMKatitof

They were decappable yes, but first you had to get rid of enemy around it, which OP, as he describes, is incapable of.

FHQ could be a dog kennel made out of paper and OP still wouldn't know how to advance on whatever defending them, repeating bullshit about indirect not working.