Two-Step PGren Upgrade

Jump back to quoted post27 Nov 2019, 00:39 AMT.R. Stormjäger

Give Pioneers 50muni single shrek upgrade and you’re good to go.

Jump back to quoted post27 Nov 2019, 00:37 AMVipper

AT rifles similar to PTRS will hardly work against thing like the T-70, the Quad the AA HT.

Actually PTRS are rather bad vs light due to high aim time and it will be even worse on expensive unit with no snares.

Jump back to quoted post27 Nov 2019, 01:03 AMthekingsown10

I like this idea as well but there should be an option later game to remove them and replace with shreks for a cost.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 13:25 PMLago

Ostheer's got no light tank. That's part of its design, and means it needs to field infantry counters to light vehicles.

The best one it has against lights is Panzershreck PGrens, but these are 100 munitions. If you're on the back foot, that can be a problem.

If I recall correctly, Relic's previous solution to this was to make the Panzerschreck upgrade two parts: you'd buy one Panzershreck for half the cost, then you'd buy the next. This created an inevitable problem of one-Panzershreck PGren blobs, so they got bundled together.

But that ability to buy lesser AT for less munitions and fully upgrade later was a neat feature that could be worth bringing back.

• What if PGrens could get two Panzerbusche AT rifles (they're in the campaign) for 50 munitions? They're much less effective than shrecks, but they do the job on the cheap.

The PGrens could then upgrade those AT rifles to Panzerschrecks for another 50 munitions.

Jump back to quoted post27 Nov 2019, 01:12 AMKiwiBirb

It’s for UC, M3 and m20, all of which Ost can’t counter unless the allied player is brain dead and gets snared

Jump back to quoted post27 Nov 2019, 09:57 AMVipper

The same applies, AT rifles like PTRS start firing too slow. PG with 2 PTRS and no snare would be burned to crisp by clown can with flamers and pinned by UC with Vicker.

Actually Ostheer should have access to a redesigned 221 that would be cheaper and have lower DPS vs infatry but higher penetration so that it would act as soft counter to those micro lights.

The added benefit would be that 222 could become more expensive and tougher becoming better vs lights.

Jump back to quoted post27 Nov 2019, 14:47 PMT.R. Stormjäger

So you want an MG34 to be better vs vehicles than a 20mm autocannon firing PzGr 39 Armour Piercing and PzGr 40 Composite rigid armour piercing rounds?

Top kek

Jump back to quoted post27 Nov 2019, 09:57 AMVipper

Actually Ostheer should have access to a redesigned 221 that would be cheaper and have lower DPS vs infatry but higher penetration so that it would act as soft counter to those micro lights.

Jump back to quoted post27 Nov 2019, 15:38 PMLago

Isn't the 221 currently 220 MP 15 FU?

You can't really go much cheaper than that.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 16:51 PMLago

I suppose you could do that. That approach has the benefit of being on a very cheap squad, but the drawback that you're then stuck with an AT rifle squad after AT rifles become ineffective.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 14:40 PMSneakEye

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Jump back to quoted post27 Nov 2019, 09:57 AMVipper

The same applies, AT rifles like PTRS start firing too slow. PG with 2 PTRS and no snare would be burned to crisp by clown can with flamers and pinned by UC with Vicker.

Actually Ostheer should have access to a redesigned 221 that would be cheaper and have lower DPS vs infatry but higher penetration so that it would act as soft counter to those micro lights.

The added benefit would be that 222 could become more expensive and tougher becoming better vs lights.

Jump back to quoted post27 Nov 2019, 17:53 PMKiwiBirb

Yeah, this would probably be a better solution. I’d also like to point out that this would require a nerf to the flame HT as flame HT + AT light vehicle has often proved op.

A return of the munition cost of getting a 222 would further delay the AT + flame HT cancer

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 13:25 PMLago

Ostheer's got no light tank. That's part of its design, and means it needs to field infantry counters to light vehicles.

The best one it has against lights is Panzershreck PGrens, but these are 100 munitions. If you're on the back foot, that can be a problem.

If I recall correctly, Relic's previous solution to this was to make the Panzerschreck upgrade two parts: you'd buy one Panzershreck for half the cost, then you'd buy the next. This created an inevitable problem of one-Panzershreck PGren blobs, so they got bundled together.

But that ability to buy lesser AT for less munitions and fully upgrade later was a neat feature that could be worth bringing back.

• What if PGrens could get two Panzerbusche AT rifles (they're in the campaign) for 50 munitions? They're much less effective than shrecks, but they do the job on the cheap.

The PGrens could then upgrade those AT rifles to Panzerschrecks for another 50 munitions.

Jump back to quoted post27 Nov 2019, 18:22 PMCODGUY

Poor OST doesn't have a light vehicle. It just means they rush a medium faster than everyone else and have more AT abilites than any other faction. Not really seeing the problem here?

Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2019, 12:34 PMBananenheld

Aaw thanks for the explanation. I never knew ostheer has the fastest medium rush.