Stationary PANTHER

Jump back to quoted post24 Nov 2019, 15:18 PMMr Carmine

The panther has td like accuracy and penetration with turret and 3x mg, speed of medium tanks, armour plus hp of heavy tanks, heavy crush.

Its expensive because of these reasons. And just because its expensive and ingnoring the other reasons as to why its so expensive its not allowed to mis?

Cant wait what they nerf in response on the panther.

Jump back to quoted post24 Nov 2019, 18:35 PM13greed47

you forgot the fact is fast as heck plus blitz and panzer tactician

Jump back to quoted post24 Nov 2019, 16:00 PMdistrofio

A buff Panthers thread? Seriously?

But I have to agree that a vet3 accuracy buff wouldn't hurt anyone, it's a very expensive tank and vet3 is hard enough to justify it

Jump back to quoted post24 Nov 2019, 13:19 PMoootto92

Stationary accuracy also rewards for good microing. It would help with a lot of those high tier player brawls where good players try to get those hits off at max range stopping just before panzer is ready to shoot again.

Jump back to quoted post24 Nov 2019, 12:06 PMSander93

The only thing it truly lacks is a 20-30% accuracy bonus at vet 3, that virtually every other vehicle gets.

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2019, 05:59 AMmrgame2

I wonder does any other stats affect panther ability to land a hit? This costly tank misses so much more often than i know.

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2019, 08:05 AMMr Carmine

I doesnt miss any more then other mediums and premium mediums and heavies.

It does miss more then dedicated 60 range td,s or stugs. But those always stand still while shooting except the jackson ofcourse. Increasing acccuracy notably. A solution without changing stats would be stop to shoot. As intended.

The panther already has enough going for it as is. No changes needed other then use as intended.

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2019, 02:47 AMSkysTheLimit

Do you know what the reasoning is behind that? Or have an idea what it might be anyway

Jump back to quoted post24 Nov 2019, 19:15 PMMr Carmine

True but i try to leave doctrines out of balancing a unit, thats why i left ptactician out. The blitz i did forget to mention.

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2019, 02:47 AMSkysTheLimit

Do you know what the reasoning is behind that? Or have an idea what it might be anyway

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2019, 05:59 AMmrgame2

I wonder does any other stats affect panther ability to land a hit? This costly tank misses so much more often than i know.

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2019, 09:07 AMSander93

My statement wasn't entirely correct, as I confused it with the reload bonus for a moment.

Only about half the vehicles get an accuracy bonus with veterancy, it seems rather random which ones do and which ones don't. Most medium tanks don't (Panzer IV, Cromwell, T-34s), but some do (M4 Sherman, EZ8, Panzer IV ausf.J). All TDs get it, including the SU-76M, but the StuG ausf.G doesn't. Conventional heavy tanks (Tiger, Tiger II, Pershing, IS-2) get a bonus too.

So it seems like the Panther simply happened to be in the half that didn't get it. Perhaps because the accuracy bonus may have been considered a special thing back when only the Eastern Front armies were around, conditions for which were blurred when the Western Front armies showed up, and it was simply never rectified.


On one hand I don't see a reason why the Panther absolutely shouldn't have it, but on the other hand Panther spam is already very strong in teamgames, so I wouldn't be too eager to buff it.

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2019, 08:05 AMMr Carmine

I doesnt miss any more then other mediums and premium mediums and heavies.

It does miss more then dedicated 60 range td,s or stugs. But those always stand still while shooting except the jackson ofcourse. Increasing acccuracy notably. A solution without changing stats would be stop to shoot. As intended.

The panther already has enough going for it as is. No changes needed other then use as intended.

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2019, 22:33 PMachpawel

I understand You haven't watched the championships. Allied tanks are cheaper and better. But You don't seem to see that. Panther is simply too expensive for what you get. Its cost should be similar to Jackson's or it should be buffed to make the game even.

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2019, 23:16 PMMr Carmine

Yes genius allied tanks are cheaper because allied tanks are not better. You need 2 minimum to take on a panther if for some reason you lack other at. No matter how you try and spin that its a fact that pound for pound the panther is a better tank hence it costs more.

Panther has better armour, hp, acc, pen then normal tanks. It has simaler rof, damage, moving acc, speed. It has heavy crush unlike allied mediums do. Only its target size and aoe on the main gun is worse.

So again how is it a worse tank then allied tanks? 2x t34,s cost more then a panther so why should they together not out preform a panther?

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2019, 23:32 PMPuppetmaster

Since people want to buff the panther so much I say sure buff its accuracy or whatever, but bring its AI down to other TDs (so nothing) and reduce its armour and HP to match other TDs (paper). Deal?

buff its accuracy or whatever

buff its accuracy or whatever

buff its accuracy or whatever

buff its accuracy or whatever

buff its accuracy or whatever

buff its accuracy or whatever

buff its accuracy or whatever

buff its accuracy or whatever

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2019, 23:33 PMShadowLinkX37

50 range.

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2019, 23:38 PMKatitof

I wouldn't mind as long as there is no longer deus ex machina that doesn't even want to move away when infantry comes near.

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2019, 23:40 PMShadowLinkX37

I don't understand

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2019, 23:32 PMPuppetmaster

Since people want to buff the panther so much I say sure buff its accuracy or whatever, but bring its AI down to other TDs (so nothing) and reduce its armour and HP to match other TDs (paper). Deal?