reduce pop for soviet tanks and infantry

Jump back to quoted post15 Nov 2019, 20:35 PMCODGUY

I think the pop count is way too high on most medium and above armor regardless of faction.

19 pop for a Churchill is stupid
18 pop for a Panther snd Comet is dumb
16 pop for Jackson and Firefly is also dumb
15 pop for a Jagpanzer IV is really dumb

Jump back to quoted post16 Nov 2019, 20:59 PMJibberJabberJobber

Their early performance is fine. Combat Engineers got Conscript Mosins last patch, giving them around 10% to 20% more dps at mid/long range.

They're actually slightly better per model than Conscripts before vet 1 (42,5 purchase cost with 1 RA versus 40 purchase cost with 1,09 RA). This allows making multiple Engineers in the early game without too many drawbacks (Brosras gets up to 3, for example). This is also why you shouldn't merge cons outside of combat situations.

A better change would be to give both Combat Engineers and Pioneers lower RA at vet 3, which Sappers/RET's/Sturms already get. Then they can keep some combat relevance later on.

Jump back to quoted post16 Nov 2019, 21:02 PMgeneral_gawain

I do think this is true. Especially in team games where ressources are flowing and you often will reach the 100 population mark, there is no point of building mediums anymore. Just because TDs, Panthers, ad all the heavy tanks are way more pop efficient. Some of them cost barely more pop than a medium.

Jump back to quoted post16 Nov 2019, 21:36 PMthedarkarmadillo

I wouldn't say CE are terribly good at any point except with a flamethrower as they really are not a threat to anything, even weapon crews. And I'm not sure that a vet locked durability buff on a unit that quite frankly has no business being in the front anyways wouldn't change much (not that armour would really either but I'd tie it to tech instead of vet)

Idk CE are so entirely underwhelming at every point and in every scenario, knowing you NEED to have them eating up pop while really bringing nothing to the match is kinda depressing. Especially with them being a starter unit and needing to shell out 160mp off the cuff for infantry and then running into things like sturms in your first engagement. But that's kinda factional whining at that point I guess

Jump back to quoted post17 Nov 2019, 15:44 PMRitter

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T34/85 and Panther are almost same pop cost. So when both player reach 100 pop It's about the same Tank number fighting each other. It's obvious who will win.

Jump back to quoted post16 Nov 2019, 21:36 PMthedarkarmadillo

I wouldn't say CE are terribly good at any point except with a flamethrower as they really are not a threat to anything, even weapon crews. And I'm not sure that a vet locked durability buff on a unit that quite frankly has no business being in the front anyways wouldn't change much (not that armour would really either but I'd tie it to tech instead of vet)

Idk CE are so entirely underwhelming at every point and in every scenario, knowing you NEED to have them eating up pop while really bringing nothing to the match is kinda depressing. Especially with them being a starter unit and needing to shell out 160mp off the cuff for infantry and then running into things like sturms in your first engagement. But that's kinda factional whining at that point I guess

Jump back to quoted post17 Nov 2019, 17:05 PMporkloin

Uhh 30 muni general purpose mines that litter the field in high level play, and handily win games?

Did you think this post through?

Jump back to quoted post17 Nov 2019, 17:17 PMthedarkarmadillo

The same mines okw, brits and ass engine or field defense usf can lay. Hardly unique or redeeming.
All the other units can actually bring something to the fight and earn their pop cap.

Jump back to quoted post17 Nov 2019, 17:31 PMporkloin

The difference being they're much cheaper, t0, and non-doctrinal respectively, while being in an army that doesn't have a significant muni demand.

Jump back to quoted post17 Nov 2019, 17:45 PMthedarkarmadillo

But they do have pop cap demands. I'd sooner pay more pm and get something for it than have my popcap being eaten by noncombat units

Alao you are out of date if you don't think the Soviet have a muni demand anymore. Oorah, and molitovs have been increased in cost, penal ptrs and satchels are a thing, 7 man cons as well as many doctrinal things.

But to list non doc units that have them: CE, sturms, sappers and iirc the wehr halftrack has them now too yes? Again. Hardly unique and hardly redeeming.

Regardless this is off topic. If you wish to continue you may make a thread

Jump back to quoted post15 Nov 2019, 20:35 PMCODGUY

I think the pop count is way too high on most medium and above armor regardless of faction.

19 pop for a Churchill is stupid
18 pop for a Panther snd Comet is dumb
16 pop for Jackson and Firefly is also dumb
15 pop for a Jagpanzer IV is really dumb

Jump back to quoted post16 Nov 2019, 22:09 PMRitter

Not only have certain soviet tanks too high pop. But infantry as u said is not worth taking in late game.
For that reason I suicide always all my snipers (9 pop each) in late game just to get more tanks.

Infantry should be 1 pop, tanks 3.
just like in any other normal strategy game.

Also what bugs me a lot is the reduced mp, when having more units.

Jump back to quoted post18 Nov 2019, 00:04 AMRitter

what do u mean, after today?