Overpowered Maxim Video Evidence

Jump back to quoted post8 Nov 2013, 13:45 PMgriezell

how can ppl cry about con getting up close to mg and trow molly and wipe yout them squad.. 1 they con wil prob retreat as wel that much damage it has taken and 2 you mg is a support unit!!! it is not ment to be a stand alone get of my lawn defence units its needs a unit around it so it can not be flanks by 2 or 3 cons!!! and if its alone then it sould be flanks by 2 units aleast grens can use rifel grandade form max distance and have a change to almost instant kil a mg unit wile con never have that option as easaly

Jump back to quoted post8 Nov 2013, 14:50 PMtuvok

I think that the rnade is a fair counter. It's not non-dodgeable but it won't wipe a full health Maxim, 2 or 3 are needed. No need to reduce its range while suppressed.
At the same time I wanna be rewarded when playing vs noobs as Sov if my opponent is dumb enough not to reposition his mg42 when I get in molotov range.

Jump back to quoted post8 Nov 2013, 14:27 PMThe_Courier

It's been like that since vCOH, and the fact that it wasn't like that in the early stages of COH2 was a big problem.

Jump back to quoted post8 Nov 2013, 12:11 PMBabaRoga

Yup, I hear you man. I was sick of that 2 so I started supporting my HMG with Grens. It works well, they tear apart those crawling Cons. You should try it You can also, pack up and reposition, while they are still crawling. Usually plenty of time to bring some reinforcements to help out.


Maybe also try not using them as first line unit. They work best when moving after Grens and backing them up

As of now it can´t fight on it´s own. If you always have to support it, you sacrifice a lot of mobility: Not enough that you didn´t build a Grenadier for that 240MP - no, you need another Grenadier to babysit your MG. And even then it´s performance is rather "meh".

I´m better off getting out two Grenadiers. In fact half of the games I don´t even get a MG42. One ammo cache and you can use Grens with LMGs.

Jump back to quoted post8 Nov 2013, 15:57 PMherr anfsim

The MG42 isnt a supportunit in the way mortars and AT-guns are. Its a defensive weapon meant to stop infantryassaults. It should need other units in the vincinity to prevent flanking, like in vCOH, but you are basicly arguing that its fair that a conscript squad should be able to take on an MG42 head on. If a purely defensive unit, primarily designed to stop infantry, cant beat an infantrysquad thats running directly into its field of fire, then its not all that usefull.

Again, they nailed this in vCOH.

Jump back to quoted post8 Nov 2013, 16:10 PMGustavGans

I don't know what your assumptions about my playstyle are based on, but they seem to be entirely wrong.

Jump back to quoted post9 Nov 2013, 11:55 AMBabaRoga

Really? they nailed it, Did they now?

As far as I remember there were some not so widely used units, maybe thats why you are not familiar with them.
Like Paratroopers, Rangers, Commandos, KCH, Stormtroopers, etc. I think thats enough examples, tho there are more.

All those could ignore HMG's and do a lot more damage than Cons with Oorah and Molotov ever can hope to do so.
I remember million times being naded by suppressed rifles, and that was a squad wipe most of the time

So please, spare us. Most of us played COH as well

Jump back to quoted post9 Nov 2013, 12:27 PMherr anfsim

I agree, those units were a problem, and im glad to see them gone. The MG, on the other hand, was pretty much perfect.

So yes, they nailed the MG. The "supertroopers" not so much.

Jump back to quoted post9 Nov 2013, 12:01 PMBabaRoga

They are based on what you said. Since I am pretty sure you are not a complete noob, that was sarcasm. Only a complete noob would experience and have trouble with things you described.

you cannot reposition MG42, leaving it on its own and getting squad wipes from Cons

Please

Jump back to quoted post9 Nov 2013, 14:31 PMGustavGans

No, a complete noob still builds MG42s

There are a lot of top players who still build and use MG42, quite effectively 2

Sorry, what exactly do you mean? I don't get it

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2013, 02:21 AMBabaRoga

I mean it is ridiculous that you mention not being able to leave MG42 on its own without getting molotoved, you said something about having to babysit it with Grens.

Well, thats what its designed for. To support Grens and Grens to support MG42, they work very well if used that way. And you know that very well

Now if you said that MG42 is slightly UP and needs a tinny buff, I would agree with that. And most other players who don't have crush on single faction, probably. .

Instead you opted for a rant and ridiculous examples of what can happen to MG42 in the hands of complete no0b

Jump back to quoted post8 Nov 2013, 16:01 PMherr anfsim

Difference is that in vCOH you needed support primarily in order to prevent flanking. In COH2 you need it in order to prevent your MG from getting frontally overrun. WHat the HMG needed initially was a huge survivability nerf.

I would love the MG to return to its vCOH state.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2013, 12:13 PMNullist

As far as I can tell, a Maxim can still setup and kill an already setup MG42,or alteast very nearly.

Ill see if I can find someone to test this with me to provide evidence.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2013, 02:21 AMBabaRoga

I mean it is ridiculous that you mention not being able to leave MG42 on its own without getting molotoved, you said something about having to babysit it with Grens.

Well, thats what its designed for. To support Grens and Grens to support MG42, they work very well if used that way. And you know that very well

Now if you said that MG42 is slightly UP and needs a tinny buff, I would agree with that. And most other players who don't have crush on single faction, probably. .

Instead you opted for a rant and ridiculous examples of what can happen to MG42 in the hands of complete no0b

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2013, 12:13 PMNullist

As far as I can tell, a Maxim can still setup and kill an already setup MG42,or alteast very nearly.

Ill see if I can find someone to test this with me to provide evidence.

Overall I dont think Mg42 are performing well enough in their defensive role.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2013, 16:01 PMOmega_Warrior

The only time a maxim can beat an mg42 is when the mg is already firing at something else first. Otherwise the mg42 should win due to its faster pinning.