Ostheer T4 Hot garbage or Actually fine?

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2019, 13:17 PMoootto92

I would argue that rather than buffing the armour, making the brummbär more resistant to all AT, they should increase the barrage range. It is absurd that this vehicle can not fulfil the supposed role of attacking stationary positions as its vet ability has the same range as AT gun. Increasing the range of barrage by 5 and 5 more at vet 3 would up to total + 10range. This would act as a pseudobuff to the durability. This would be more balanced way to make stupa perform better in its supposed role without becoming more resistant to the allied TDs which should hardcounter this designated AI vehicle.

EDIT: I'm also here to protest grave injustice: Hull down does not increase the range of the barrage.

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2019, 15:49 PMEsxile

If you want to take a position from afar, build a pzwerfer. If you need shock value then the brumbar is your choice.

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2019, 17:22 PMoootto92

I think that Brumbär should have some major advantage in AI capability over the ostwind when you take into the account that they are in different tiers. Currently they both have the same shock AI role and same weakness to AT and TD. One could argue that ostwind is even stronger option now due to AA, not being as micro intensive and it is able to flank stuff due its rotating turret.

Arguing that brummbär shouldn't be able to outrange AT with ability because pzwerfers exist is like saying Zis guns shouldn't have barrage. "If you need indirect fire then mortar is your choice."

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2019, 17:23 PMMr Carmine

I am confused, you want it to outrange at guns and td,s?

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2019, 17:47 PMthedarkarmadillo

Something to make the climb to t4 more attractive than just the units.

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2019, 13:17 PMoootto92

I would argue that rather than buffing the armour, making the brummbär more resistant to all AT, they should increase the barrage range. It is absurd that this vehicle can not fulfil the supposed role of attacking stationary positions as its vet ability has the same range as AT gun. Increasing the range of barrage by 5 and 5 more at vet 3 would up to total + 10range. This would act as a pseudobuff to the durability. This would be more balanced way to make stupa perform better in its supposed role without becoming more resistant to the allied TDs which should hardcounter this designated AI vehicle.

EDIT: I'm also here to protest grave injustice: Hull down does not increase the range of the barrage.

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2019, 20:46 PMIncendiaryRounds

The thing about T4 not being viable for 1v1 Ost is a fundamental flaw. Ost was supposed to be the late game faction. They are hands down the weakest faction early game, though give credit where credit is due, slightly better than in the past due to slightly faster pgren deployment. Their early-mid game is meh as they've always lacked a bulletproof LV. Their midgame is ok with a decent T3 for the most part but their supposed to be STRONG in the late game. Without a STRONG late game, there's little point in playing Ost in a 1v1, hence at the top level OKW players badly outnumber Ost in 1v1 game mode. OKW has hands down a stronger early AND late game than Ost.

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2019, 21:18 PMButcher

The range reduction killed the Brummbär for me. All while an ISU at 70 range wiping squads is obviously perfectly fine by the balance teams standards (I don't care about the price or that the ISU is doctrinal. The basic concept of being able to wipe stuff at long ranges should either apply to both sides or to no side at all).

Make the Brummbär more expensive and revert the range to 40. It should be an option to seriously hurt your opponents infantry and achieve breakthroughs. Currently it's just a more clumsy Ostwind that also can't even deflect shots reliably.

I think it's ridiculous that the Brummbär is nerfed because it could reliably fight AT guns, yet the KV8 is perfectly fine tackling multiple Paks.

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2019, 21:18 PMButcher

The range reduction killed the Brummbär for me. All while an ISU at 70 range wiping squads is obviously perfectly fine by the balance teams standards (I don't care about the price or that the ISU is doctrinal. The basic concept of being able to wipe stuff at long ranges should either apply to both sides or to no side at all).

Make the Brummbär more expensive and revert the range to 40. It should be an option to seriously hurt your opponents infantry and achieve breakthroughs. Currently it's just a more clumsy Ostwind that also can't even deflect shots reliably.

I think it's ridiculous that the Brummbär is nerfed because it could reliably fight AT guns, yet the KV8 is perfectly fine tackling multiple Paks.

Jump back to quoted post31 Oct 2019, 01:40 AMmrgame2

I think killing elefant with Soviet is easier than Wehr killing ISU. Do you all agree?

Throw 2 t34 for flank/ram and snipe with su85. And besides the snares available for penal OR cons. Sov has other AT like mark vehicle, AT bombs.

Isu also more able to defend against infantry.

This is impact of focusing on balance design against Wehr

For Wehr, if you dont have elefant or ju doctrine, you are in for long game. Shit son will need double panthers or hope your team mate is okw

Jump back to quoted post31 Oct 2019, 01:29 AMmrgame2

[isu] Why is that tank have better speed and rear armor than elefant?