Re-balance Allied TDs penetration values

Jump back to quoted post26 Oct 2019, 16:40 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Wrecking a PZ4 with a Jackson with max range shots on the move isn’t balance, it’s garbage. At max range TDs/AT guns should’t have as much accuracy vs mediums, thus it would require you to either get a lot of shots in quickly, vet up your units or get closer, which would get rid of the current stagnant TD meta.

Jump back to quoted post26 Oct 2019, 16:50 PMKatitof

What are you talking about?
If target moves or not doesn't impact accuracy, unless you have activated blitz or combat blitz, which decrease temporarily target size.

If Jackson MOVES, agains P4 at 60 range it has whooping 38% to hit.
Moving SU-85 has 44% to hit.
Moving FF has 48%.

I wouldn't call it exceptionally high.

Jump back to quoted post26 Oct 2019, 16:50 PMKatitof

If Jackson MOVES, agains P4 at 60 range it has whooping 38% to hit.

Jump back to quoted post26 Oct 2019, 16:58 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Impossible, the M36 has 0.75 moving accuracy compared to the other two since it’s a USF vehicle. It also has a turret, meaning it can chase at full speed instead of having to rotate to get a shot off.

Jump back to quoted post26 Oct 2019, 17:00 PMJibberJabberJobber

Jackson has 0.035*22*0,75 = 58% chance to hit P4 max range while moving.

Jump back to quoted post26 Oct 2019, 16:43 PMachpawel

True. I'm aware. I don't see any better solution. Imo it's not bad. It would be clear and very different vehicle category. Target size seems okish but would be too rng dependent.

Jump back to quoted post26 Oct 2019, 18:21 PMStug life

increase reload add 40 deflection damage ? so against heavy u always deal damage but it's a irrelevant vs low armor target

Jump back to quoted post26 Oct 2019, 16:43 PMachpawel

True. I'm aware. I don't see any better solution. Imo it's not bad. It would be clear and very different vehicle category. Target size seems okish but would be too rng dependent.

Jump back to quoted post26 Oct 2019, 19:30 PMdistrofio

There is a sligtly simple solution.

Increase reload time for TDs, increase damage dealt for TDs and reduce target size for mediums.

Mediums tend to fight close to each other so they wont get as affected as much as TDs.

A good spot would be one with a medium tank receiving two hits by TDs and have some sliver of HP left. Simply because 2 TD in the current meta is not too hard to get and its even easier on Teamgames.

Jump back to quoted post26 Oct 2019, 18:51 PMKatitof

We do the same for panther I assume?
You know, so StuG and JP4 can also find its place?

Jump back to quoted post26 Oct 2019, 19:30 PMdistrofio

There is a sligtly simple solution.

Increase reload time for TDs, increase damage dealt for TDs and reduce target size for mediums.

Mediums tend to fight close to each other so they wont get as affected as much as TDs.

A good spot would be one with a medium tank receiving two hits by TDs and have some sliver of HP left. Simply because 2 TD in the current meta is not too hard to get and its even easier on Teamgames.

Jump back to quoted post26 Oct 2019, 16:40 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Wrecking a PZ4 with a Jackson with max range shots on the move isn’t balance, it’s garbage. At max range TDs/AT guns should’t have as much accuracy vs mediums, thus it would require you to either get a lot of shots in quickly, vet up your units or get closer, which would get rid of the current stagnant TD meta.

Jump back to quoted post26 Oct 2019, 20:01 PMSupremeStefan

Oh look another pls nerf alies TDs thread its seriosly getting boring. Game is really in a good state right now but if u guys really wonna destroy it again then pls go on

Jump back to quoted post26 Oct 2019, 20:58 PMAerohank

Honestly I think TDs are fine as they are. Only the JP4 feels too weak with penetration compared to other TDs. I would like to see it get a bit more punch in return for a nerf to the bullshit phase shields it gets that make the tank literally invulnerable if you hold fire.

Jump back to quoted post26 Oct 2019, 20:50 PMIncendiaryRounds

My idea to change allied TDs were to make them less effective against mediums by nerfing the accuracy of the TDs at max range so that they miss around 30% of their shots vs a medium at max range. This is basically giving axis meds a smaller target size against allied TDs without actually reducing the size of axis meds which would affect other allied at units. Maybe to differentiate more clearly, increase the target size of all heavies so there is a greater difference between meds and heavies. So now to counter allied TDs axis can spam mediums and instead of allies just brainlessly spamming TDs in team games as the one-size-fits-all solution to counter all armor, they need to actually check their enemy's armor composition: ie. medium spam requires your own mediums + at guns, heavies will require TDs.

Jump back to quoted post26 Oct 2019, 20:58 PMAerohank

Getting shots in at max range requires a lot of spotting and direct LOS, this is hard to achieve, especially if you want to chase the enemy medium tank. If the allied player can pull this off, he deserves to do the damage. It's only easy to get long range hits in if the enemy is using their medium tanks as frontal assault break through tanks and their understanding of flanking is 'rush at enemy and try to blitz behind them'.

Honestly I think TDs are fine as they are. Only the JP4 feels too weak with penetration compared to other TDs. I would like to see it get a bit more punch in return for a nerf to the bullshit phase shields it gets that make the tank literally invulnerable if you hold fire.