Brummbar OP plz nerf!!!!

Jump back to quoted post22 Oct 2019, 17:10 PMGrumpy

I tried the KV8 in a game that was already decided last night. The DOT is pretty low. I don't know if all flamethrowers are equal, but it only has one compared to the two that the OST flamer has. It took 28-30 seconds to kill a single Panzerfusilier squad that the owner didn't realize was being attacked. I did have to move the tank once which added to the time because the flamethrower stopped. In any event, it isn't what I would consider OP but everybody has different definitions.

I think it works better against AT guns because of the green cover. You could always try putting screening infantry in front of the AT gun.

Late game, the other team tried a rush with P4 against a Pershing and my IS2 and KV8. They got the Pershing and KV8, but not the IS2. The KV8 did regularly penetrate the rear armor of the P4's so I think the pen value is what you listed. I didn't see any notes on the damage but think it is still 80.

Jump back to quoted post22 Oct 2019, 13:21 PMLago

If you're fine with the Croc, the KV-8 is proportionately scaled down in firepower and durability.

If there's an imbalance between the KV-8 and the Brummbar, I think it's probably the Brummbar that's out of line rather than the KV-8.

Jump back to quoted post22 Oct 2019, 17:47 PMVipper

The fact that you test these things in game speaks volumes since many users post without checking stats or testing. Well done.

The time to kill PF is really high and seems out of ordinary, it should be less, around half of that 10-15 secs. The only thing I can guess is that they where on water or snow where they take reduced damage...

Flamer does work better vs entities close together due to AOE.

Damage for the gun is 80.

Jump back to quoted post22 Oct 2019, 18:13 PMGrumpy

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Honestly, after using it, I'm not sure that it needs any nerfs or buffs but it is a really strange unit. ..

Jump back to quoted post22 Oct 2019, 18:13 PMIncendiaryRounds

The KV8 scales down ONLY in durability. The main gun that the croc has is hardly effective. And if you're saying the Brum is out of line, you're suggesting the Brum is in need of buffs and the KV8 is fine?

Jump back to quoted post22 Oct 2019, 20:30 PMLago

I'm saying if the Brummbar is substantially weaker than the KV-8, buff the Brummbar.

Jump back to quoted post20 Oct 2019, 20:21 PMIncendiaryRounds

My solution would be to revert the armor back to pre-nerf levels. Right now, Brums are hardcountered by TDs (5% chance to bounce at max range.) KV8s however can bounce every third shot from Stug/JP4/pak/rak (270 armor vs 180-190 pen at max range) and the fact that KV8 has more health too. KV8 bounces more than 5% from panthers. Also, I think the vet 1 shells should fire with faster reload to compensate for significantly higher scatter. Right now the vet 1 ability is as useful as Stug TWP.

Now that people have used the nerfed Brum for a few months, we see a marked decline of the Brum especially in a 1v1. T4 is back to being a dustbin tier for 1v1 after the Brum nerfs. With the ostwind back to being a good unit, few are getting a Brum. The panther right now (for Ost) isn't even a "good" unit anymore, it's a pretty goddamn average unit. I'm not saying it's bad, but it's not a threatening unit which T4 units were supposed to be. It was and is always a good tank for OKW since they don't need to tech for an imaginary "premium" tier.

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2019, 00:39 AMfrostbite

kv8 is a heavy tank, doctrinal, dont instantly kill models takes time. and if u move itll cut the dmg 2 fold. kv8 cant penetrate a medium tank like a brumbar does to a t76. kv8 dont have a safe way to kill things like the barrage from brum. kv8 dont have smoke ect

Jump back to quoted post22 Oct 2019, 18:38 PMVipper

It is a situational unit that is why it should be cheaper and less lethal.

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2019, 02:12 AMT.R. Stormjäger

You're thinking of the Stug III ausf E assault gun.

The Brummbar is underperforming atm, either 40 ranger (+5) or a bit more armour or smaller target size.

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2019, 07:58 AMmrgame2

Anyone know why firing brums on the move will land the round way short of the 35 range?

I think this make it unplayable against 60td. You need to keep still and fire to get that 35 range.

Though i do see top 1v1 player using brums and get vet. But for me a mid 2v2 player, i use ostwind + warfer, is more effective. Brums just needed too much baby sitting for its cost.

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2019, 07:58 AMmrgame2

Anyone know why firing brums on the move will land the round way short of the 35 range?

I think this make it unplayable against 60td. You need to keep still and fire to get that 35

Jump back to quoted post22 Oct 2019, 20:57 PMIncendiaryRounds

Thanks for supporting my argument because I already proved in every way that the Brum IS weaker than KV8.