Brits in 1v1 is a joke

The myth that the Ostwind is good against mediums lives on.

I should've made my own video on that "Ostwind OP penetration" thread, with a proper sample size.

i did this some for kirkk as he was so entitled that screen shoot were not enough and said i rigged it all

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GoodnaturedKeyFallowdeer-mobile.mp4

did not stop his bias tho

The myth that the Ostwind is good against mediums lives on.

I should've made my own video on that "Ostwind OP penetration" thread, with a proper sample size.

The problem is subjective, interpretation or semantics.
The Ostwind is not a GOOD option against medium, it's a possibility. Something in the realm of, if you see a damage medium tank, you could use the Ostwind to try hit it's rear and actually finish it off. Or don't underestimate 2 Ostwinds while attacking with a single medium tank.

I've run some test's, its always four time the same test run simultaneous to compensate the rng a bit:

4 Man Vet3 double Bren Section's
vs.
Vet 3 LMG Gren's

Always in green Cover

Close Range



Result close range 4:0 Win for Gren's

Medium & long Range



Result medium range: 2:2
Result long range: 3:1 Win for Section's


Now can everybody make his own mind how still "overpowered" the Section's are and how much Gren's "suck".

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Holy hell, and that's versus double brens?

Lmao

And now test them out of cover

IS really, really suck at close and mid range.

I've run some test's, its always four time the same test run simultaneous to compensate the rng a bit:

4 Man Vet3 double Bren Section's
vs.
Vet 3 LMG Gren's

Always in green Cover

Close Range



Result close range 4:0 Win for Gren's

Medium & long Range



Result medium range: 2:2
Result long range: 3:1 Win for Section's


Now can everybody make his own mind how still "overpowered" the Section's are and how much Gren's "suck".

Thank you for the test, it proved many things.

This is why you get bolster first and not Brens, it's a much stronger upgrade.

Vet 0 bolstered section > vet 0 LMG Grenadiers:

Vet 2-3 bolstered section < Vet 2-3 LMG Grenadiers: (took image bit too early. Gren in top right wins, section at bottom wins.)

Vet 0 bolstered section w/ 1 bren >> vet 0 LMG Grenadiers:

Vet 2-3 bolstered section w/ 1 bren >> Vet 2-3 LMG Grenadiers:


Haven't tested 2 Brens and bolster, but it makes sections even stronger mid/long.

squads shot each other at ranges 10/20/30.

This is why you get bolster first and not Brens, it's a much stronger upgrade.

Vet 0 bolstered section > vet 0 LMG Grenadiers:

Vet 2-3 bolstered section < Vet 2-3 LMG Grenadiers: (took image bit too early. Gren in top right wins, section at bottom wins.)

Vet 0 bolstered section w/ 1 bren >> vet 0 LMG Grenadiers:

Vet 2-3 bolstered section w/ 1 bren >> Vet 2-3 LMG Grenadiers:


Haven't tested 2 Brens and bolster, but it makes sections even stronger mid/long.

squads shot each other at ranges 10/20/30.

Is this in or out of cover ?

Looks like heavy cover.

I feel lmg grens have a bug that makes it less effective against squad size 5 and above. Maybe thee tracking get confused? I dont know how such a big win with just one more member.

But yeay in games, lmg grens just don't punish allies as much as often as expected

the tests of madin2 and derbyhat has proved that the neft make bolster event more a mandatory upgrade, not a choice.

For brit why not make aec and bofor non exclusive
You pay tech costs if you want both. And give aec white phosphors for anti garrison.

Otherwise i think brit is ok, powerful with small payment for bolster upgrade. Sure it seems monotonous as its all IS if you want to blob. Not an actual impact.

For brit why not make aec and bofor non exclusive
You pay tech costs if you want both. And give aec white phosphors for anti garrison.

Otherwise i think brit is ok, powerful with small payment for bolster upgrade. Sure it seems monotonous as its all IS if you want to blob. Not an actual impact.

It worth the price, but 35 fuels is not a small payment, at all. In comparison, Ost' BP 1 is 40 fuels.

Non exclusive aec and bofor will be a very good improvement, tho.

congratulation to madin2 and DerbyHat for testing and coming back with the results.

As we see on the test's bolster and weapon rack are mandatory upgrades if you want to survive as UKF in an even game.

Usually in a 1v1 5 squads benefit from bolster and weapon rack so u can split the tech cost by 5.
This would lead to another 60 MP and 10 Fuel for each squad. Then you have to reinforce to the 5th man for 28MP.

So a 5 Man double Bren squad cost 358 MP 10 Fuel and 90 Mun.

To test them again in a fair fight (by cost) i have to let fight two Section's against three LMG Gren's.

It's 716 MP 20 Fuel 180 Mun 16 pop vs. 720 MP 180 Mun 21 pop

Result: on all ranges in green cover, Gren's will win.
I tested this 8 times for each range and i non of the test's Section's have won.


The next thing is that the side tech delay your Cromwell timing very badly.

Tech to Cromwell with bolster, weapon rack and AEC tech cost 860MP 210F.
Tech to Cromwell without bolster, weapon rack and AEC 460MP 145F.

Tech to OST P4 with T1, T2, T3 build 720MP 175F.

The starting resources are 350 MP 20F for UKF and for OST 430MP 20Fuel, so even there its a +10 MP starting resources for OST.

And that's why UKF suck so much at the moment, either you go for side tech to hold up against Gren's but get ass kicked by P4 or you skip side tech and get ass kicked by LMG Gren's.

yea lets just skip the fact osther pays more for tech yep not gonna count it as i only make my points

especially skipping tier 1 as all know gren is tier 0

the tests of madin2 and derbyhat has proved that the neft make bolster event more a mandatory upgrade, not a choice.

Bolster is never going to be a choice as long as it doesn't get completely redesigned, because it has no downsides. It should've been designed as an upgrade that cements a certain playstyle for bolstered squads (like Ostheer's G43 vs LMG 42 upgrades), instead of being a straight up durability and firepower buff that makes balancing Infantry Sections pre- vs post-Bolster almost impossible.

yea lets just skip the fact osther pays more for tech yep not gonna count it as i only make my points

especially skipping tier 1 as all know gren is tier 0

don't know if you read my post, therefor i repeat extra for you:

Tech to OST P4 with T1, T2, T3 build 720MP 175F.

Tech to Cromwell with bolster, weapon rack and AEC tech cost 860MP 210F.
Tech to Cromwell without bolster, weapon rack and AEC 460MP 145F.

where do i skip the fact, that OST tech is more expensive without side tech?

The Problem here is, if you don't side tech as UKF u get wiped off the battlefield by LMG Grens and if you side tech the P4 comes earlier then Cromwell and is a better tank as well.

for green u skipped it for green

u counted upgrade in cost vs cost and copletly skipped that 1) green need a tier 1 structure toi even be built, 2) 1 IS is free form the start 3)osth has lmg and nades upgrades integrated in the tech cost

so basically u super inflated the IS cos and low balled gren cost

for green u skipped it for green

what do you mean?