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blvckdream
8 Jul 2019, 16:40 PM
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Amazing work. Thanks
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RollingStone
8 Jul 2019, 18:18 PM
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So you saying that Werh actually losing more than Soviets or USF at 1v1 and in team games?

And yeah, all that amount of data gathered is just... unbeliviable. Superb work, man.
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Rosbone
8 Jul 2019, 18:24 PM
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Awesome! Much appreciation to all involved.
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Doomlord52
8 Jul 2019, 19:31 PM
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Really impressive data; this is great.

Pretty surprised about the 4v4 win-rates, though; that massive gap in the top 25% is pretty strange.
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Luciano
8 Jul 2019, 20:17 PM
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Westwall at the bottom of the most 1v1 maps played, who would've thought :o

Thanks for these stats, they help us a lot
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Grumpy
8 Jul 2019, 20:23 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post8 Jul 2019, 19:31 PMDoomlord52
Really impressive data; this is great.

Pretty surprised about the 4v4 win-rates, though; that massive gap in the top 25% is pretty strange.


I don't think it is strange. It seems rare in the random matches that people will coordinate commanders so that they can counter certain things. I think I lose most of my 4v4 randoms as Axis due to not having a counter to howitzers. That doesn't happen to the arranged teams that I play with. Theoretically, Jaeger Armor has all of the counters you need in one commander but good luck having enough munitions to do it all by yourself. The same holds true to a slightly lesser extent with playing allies.

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Tomakaze
8 Jul 2019, 20:51 PM
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I enjoyed seeing the impact of map vetoes. Each group had a map that was equally tolerated. It makes me wonder how the lines would adjust based on number of vetoes.

Excellent work!
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aerafield
8 Jul 2019, 21:08 PM
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Amazing article, thanks for all this hard work!


It amazes me how at least one of my least favorite maps always ends up in the top 5 most played maps.... no matter what mode :rofl:
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WhiteFlash
8 Jul 2019, 22:18 PM
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Outstanding work as always SiphonX, this data is invaluable. Relic please take a look.
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general_gawain
8 Jul 2019, 22:56 PM
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Thx for your enormous work here!

I'm surprised how even it is in the end overall. It something about 1 to 3 games won or lost more out of 100 across all five factions that makes the difference. Thats quite a small proportion for asymmetrical faction design. Looking at all the op/up forum posts and biased trolls you get the impression it has to be far worse. But it simply isn't. In fact it was far worse in the months after the release of OKW/USF and then later on Brits.

Good work of getting this game more balanced.
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Grumpy
9 Jul 2019, 00:18 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post8 Jul 2019, 22:56 PMgeneral_gawain
Thx for your enormous work here!

I'm surprised how even it is in the end overall. It something about 1 to 3 games won or lost more out of 100 across all five factions that makes the difference. Thats quite a small proportion for asymmetrical faction design. Looking at all the op/up forum posts and biased trolls you get the impression it has to be far worse. But it simply isn't. In fact it was far worse in the months after the release of OKW/USF and then later on Brits.

Good work of getting this game more balanced.


For as little praise as they've received, the balance team has done a great job in the last several patches. I'm not sure who they are, but the last several patches have been great. It would be interesting to see what the data looks like in a month or so when people figure out the OST meta because it doesn't seem like they should have the lowest win rates.

Thank you Siphon X, good job as usual.
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Unit G17
9 Jul 2019, 06:07 AM
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Interesting data.

Gotta add tho that lower performance in ostheer and soviet factions might be due to most new players having access to only these two, while dlc nations consist more dedicated, experienced players.
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Loxley
9 Jul 2019, 06:59 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post9 Jul 2019, 06:07 AMUnit G17
Interesting data.

Gotta add tho that lower performance in ostheer and soviet factions might be due to most new players having access to only these two, while dlc nations consist more dedicated, experienced players.


When you watch the graphs, and not only read the summary, you can see, that they are segmented from top players until unranked and everywhere is the same result.
New players are not in top 1%. :p
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Unit G17
9 Jul 2019, 07:16 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post9 Jul 2019, 06:59 AMLoxley


When you watch the graphs, and not only read the summary, you can see, that they are segmented from top players until unranked and everywhere is the same result.
New players are not in top 1%. :p


Experiencing the wonders of the flawlessly working coh2 mathcmaker, I wouldn't be surprised if some of these new players somehow temporarily get to the top, only to fall down and thus also alter the stats. :)

But yes, noticed the segmenting, I was referring to graphs that don't have any. Like look at 2v2 with two ostheer or soviet players win rate.
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wuff
9 Jul 2019, 08:15 AM
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It is great to see this sort of data.

Fantastic work.
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VonManteuffel
9 Jul 2019, 09:37 AM
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Thank you for the great work!

Map winrates seem pretty interesting. I didn't thought Vaux Farmlands beeing an axis fav map o_O

But my question is, can you tell us how the low SOV winrates come about? Is this because high rates of double OKW? Or are SOV also worse vs double OST and OST/OKW? That would be interesting.
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Siphon X.
9 Jul 2019, 10:14 AM
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Updated to include the map picks after the Spring Map Update. The data represented here started on the 17th of May, so a few weeks after the new introduction, but there were some hiccups early on, and also, I found in the past that it takes a while for the numbers to settle (they still might not have done so, so take this with a grain of salt (as everything, really)).

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I think you were kind of asking for this yesterday, right? :p
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Spanky
9 Jul 2019, 10:47 AM
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I applaud you!
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blvckdream
9 Jul 2019, 11:33 AM
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Is it possible to add the faction win rate deviations per map for 2v2 too? Right now I only find it for 1v1 and for me these are some of the most interesting statistics.
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Siphon X.
9 Jul 2019, 11:39 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post9 Jul 2019, 11:33 AMblvckdream
Is it possible to add the faction win rate deviations per map for 2v2 too? Right now I only find it for 1v1 and for me these are some of the most interesting statistics.


Ugh, here are the numbers for team-comps (RT) if that helps:

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             OH/OH   OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked      54045   90096   37033   36150   45015   42244   14727   27789   11974
Won         24632   44896   19423   16483   22367   20613    7573   14261    6030
Won (%)     45.58   49.83   52.45   45.60   49.69   48.80   51.42   51.32   50.36
 
 Map: Crossing in the Woods
             OH/OH   OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked       4440    7871    3327    3063    3855    3542    1294    2396     999
Won          2093    3928    1728    1370    1867    1747     665    1210     515
Won (%)     47.14   49.90   51.94   44.73   48.43   49.32   51.39   50.50   51.55
Diff (%)     1.56    0.07   -0.51   -0.87   -1.26    0.53   -0.03   -0.82    1.19

 Map: Road to Kharkov
             OH/OH   OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked       4395    7540    3295    2938    3742    3530    1216    2356    1029
Won          2080    3869    1734    1290    1786    1779     583    1251     562
Won (%)     47.33   51.31   52.63   43.91   47.73   50.40   47.94   53.10   54.62
Diff (%)     1.75    1.48    0.18   -1.69   -1.96    1.60   -3.48    1.78    4.26

 Map: Einhoven Country
             OH/OH   OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked       3655    6361    2672    2579    3194    2932    1105    1956     836
Won          1624    3173    1459    1181    1607    1402     580     970     404
Won (%)     44.43   49.88   54.60   45.79   50.31   47.82   52.49   49.59   48.33
Diff (%)    -1.14    0.05    2.16    0.20    0.63   -0.98    1.07   -1.73   -2.03

 Map: Moskow Outskirts (Summer)
             OH/OH   OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked       3645    5954    2413    2302    3002    2760    1024    1903     820
Won          1687    2965    1245    1064    1505    1328     540     977     410
Won (%)     46.28   49.80   51.60   46.22   50.13   48.12   52.73   51.34   50.00
Diff (%)     0.71   -0.03   -0.85    0.62    0.45   -0.68    1.31    0.02   -0.36

 Map: Minsk Pocket
             OH/OH   OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked       4011    6592    2839    2700    3380    3070    1088    2006     837
Won          1778    3246    1531    1266    1749    1466     580    1013     412
Won (%)     44.33   49.24   53.93   46.89   51.75   47.75   53.31   50.50   49.22
Diff (%)    -1.25   -0.59    1.48    1.29    2.06   -1.04    1.89   -0.82   -1.14

 Map: Rails & Metal
             OH/OH   OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked       4299    7652    3332    2974    3725    3580    1237    2388    1047
Won          2068    3806    1714    1295    1838    1775     609    1237     561
Won (%)     48.10   49.74   51.44   43.54   49.34   49.58   49.23   51.80   53.58
Diff (%)     2.53   -0.09   -1.01   -2.05   -0.35    0.79   -2.19    0.48    3.22

 Map: Vaux Farmlands
             OH/OH   OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked       3071    4716    1806    1904    2432    2238     803    1440     640
Won          1442    2466     940     858    1161    1042     407     734     289
Won (%)     46.96   52.29   52.05   45.06   47.74   46.56   50.68   50.97   45.16
Diff (%)     1.38    2.46   -0.40   -0.53   -1.95   -2.24   -0.74   -0.35   -5.20

 Map: Fields of Winnekendonk
             OH/OH   OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked       3278    5376    2232    2132    2655    2558     909    1621     681
Won          1431    2683    1198     964    1367    1181     531     850     330
Won (%)     43.65   49.91   53.67   45.22   51.49   46.17   58.42   52.44   48.46
Diff (%)    -1.92    0.08    1.23   -0.38    1.80   -2.63    6.99    1.12   -1.90

 Map: Elst Outskirts
             OH/OH   OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked       4109    6954    2850    2742    3562    3341    1212    2125     928
Won          1884    3529    1509    1290    1781    1594     623    1043     473
Won (%)     45.85   50.75   52.95   47.05   50.00   47.71   51.40   49.08   50.97
Diff (%)     0.27    0.92    0.50    1.45    0.31   -1.08   -0.02   -2.24    0.61

 Map: Alliance of Defiance
             OH/OH   OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked       4046    6824    2779    2688    3396    3089    1091    2267     971
Won          1834    3358    1412    1187    1689    1522     502    1176     523
Won (%)     45.33   49.21   50.81   44.16   49.73   49.27   46.01   51.87   53.86
Diff (%)    -0.25   -0.62   -1.64   -1.44    0.05    0.48   -5.41    0.56    3.50

 Map: Lierneux
             OH/OH   OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked       2209    3218    1177    1488    1615    1573     456     987     412
Won          1004    1571     624     688     766     761     243     494     207
Won (%)     45.45   48.82   53.02   46.24   47.43   48.38   53.29   50.05   50.24
Diff (%)    -0.13   -1.01    0.57    0.64   -2.26   -0.42    1.87   -1.27   -0.12

 Map: Semoisky (Winter)
             OH/OH   OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked       2967    4994    1934    2011    2461    2326     780    1428     629
Won          1282    2361     946     992    1297    1189     442     798     320
Won (%)     43.21   47.28   48.91   49.33   52.70   51.12   56.67   55.88   50.87
Diff (%)    -2.37   -2.55   -3.53    3.73    3.01    2.32    5.24    4.56    0.52

 Map: Stadtschutt
             OH/OH   OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked       3122    5181    2104    2130    2624    2377     857    1590     673
Won          1416    2566    1146     940    1300    1165     452     797     328
Won (%)     45.36   49.53   54.47   44.13   49.54   49.01   52.74   50.13   48.74
Diff (%)    -0.22   -0.30    2.02   -1.46   -0.15    0.22    1.32   -1.19   -1.62

 Map: Poltawa
             OH/OH   OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked       3708    6127    2549    2536    3010    3054     922    1924     849
Won          1655    3066    1324    1156    1453    1525     465     985     409
Won (%)     44.63   50.04   51.94   45.58   48.27   49.93   50.43   51.20   48.17
Diff (%)    -0.94    0.21   -0.51   -0.01   -1.42    1.14   -0.99   -0.12   -2.18

 Map: Trois Pont
             OH/OH   OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked       3089    4736    1724    1963    2361    2274     733    1402     623
Won          1353    2309     913     942    1201    1137     351     726     287
Won (%)     43.80   48.75   52.96   47.99   50.87   50.00   47.89   51.78   46.07
Diff (%)    -1.78   -1.08    0.51    2.39    1.18    1.20   -3.54    0.46   -4.29
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