Profile of GachiGasm

I think there could be 3 ways thinking about what to do with REs:
-Buff their combat capabilities (like buffing ROF of carbines, or nerfing ROF and bumping damage to 9)
-Put an emphasize on their utility. Like giving acc bonus on zooks, increased building speed with sweeper, generally having faster mine clearing and barbwire cutting speed compare to other engies.
-Don't touch them and close the thread

Honestly whole topic is misrepresented a bit imo. If you forced to rebuild REs then out of the gate they are weaker then Pios, but again you wont be getting them again that early into the game and by the time you might need to rebuild them, engi units would be either repairing\building\sweeping but not fighting.

But if you keep your first REs alive, give them weapons and vet them up during the game, then they will be usufull in combat during whole game (especially with zooks) unlike other engi units, which will be burned out by repairing and doing other engi duties, while REs will be fighting\capping.

So pretty much RE combat firepower means at least someting only super early into the game, in first few engagements, after that they either become a better support unit or just another sweeping engi firepower of which is irrelevant anyway because even SPs will struggle at this point in firefights.

In other words yes, starting RE will usually lose to starting Pio, but you are not paying 200MP for this RE anyway, you are not forced to rebuild them if you lose them early and if your opponent(s) arent laying mines, you are not forced to rebuild them at all. On top of the fact that USF\Ost have pretty much same starting MP anyway.

And as I matter of fact, I dont really understand why their cost should somehow garantee them win against charging pios to begin with. You can always kyte pios with them, soft retreat and keep pios annoyed not letting them cap freely and so on.

On paper, because they have valley fire. Which is kinda over-nerfed, but as a niche rifle supporting ability some times can work also they have nice smoke ability.

Also kinda because at vet 3 they are 5 men squad and vet2 provides some combat bonuses.

In practice its just the way they are supposed to be cost vise, because some of the commanders give them strong upgrades (riflenades\flames) on top of the fact that they can have zooks (which will bring them to vet 3 really fast making them 5 men AT squad).

Other then that, imo cost arent reflecting their performance, rather cost is based on what can be done with REs and what upgrades they can have.

So in definitive because they're not like Ostheer or Soviet, cheap en extremely cost effective units. Imo nothing that can't be change with proper balance decisions.

Pretty much. As many people were saying, CoH2 back in the day needed a proper benchmark faction which would be balanced out as perfectly as it could be, and then other factions should be balanced around this factions. Not like, Ost vs Sov, USF vs OKW, UKF vs CPU. With a bunch of handbandages holding it togeather, creating halfassed toxic gameplay.

Also cost of grens\cons handly really matters, again, even if you add like 10MP making them cost 250, they would still be better simply because they always can use support unit as a backup. No matter how much your volks\rifles\IS cost, when your only counter play options are either survive\push\out-flank.

But what are those tools? Even if you deny it OKW has access to everything, USF not having stock access to Rocket Arty is a late game problem while at the moment the USF struggle vs Ostheer and OKW is an early game matter. Only UKF is probably entangled into more deeper problem but could probably be solve by looking at snipers behavior in the game.

Because early game matters the most, especially for snowballing faction like USF. And in early game you have rifles and rears face combined arms army. Even tha fact that OKW has kubel can really mess up the USF and we are speking about Ost with a whole bunch of combined arms options.

Are you really interested into thinking of way to balance the game or are you just happy with the current situation. If this is the case, fine but stop posting the same we can't do anything shit over and over as if keeping repeating it would make it more true.

Honestly I dont give a shit about correct CoH2 balance and CoH2 balance in general and imo no-one should. Not because its unchangable, but because relic didnt alow to do all the nessesery changes to begin with and the fact that CoH3 is comming and CoH2 wont have any updates most likely.
We cant do anything about it, and you should face it. The best bet you can have, is to collect your thoughts and data about why such problem exist in CoH2 and create a topic providing feedback on CoH3 devforum and actually try to make next game not suck balls.

Not really or 3 rifles, 3 volks are spam to you. Actually the 2 factions that have easy early spam are Ostheer and Cons with their fast 4x mainlines infantry every game outclassing other factions. And that's not a question of faction design but how the balance swifted to this state over the patches.

No offense but you are tunel visioning it a bit. Yes, Ost and Sov also do start with 3 to 4 mainlines oppenings but there is a difference. Firstly, unlike OKW\USF\UKF soviet\ost arent forced into this standart build, but even then they do their tech allowing them to roll out support units much earlier, in case they suddenly in need of them, for Ost its the fact that T0\T1 contains support units, for soviets its either flexable teching and commanders call-ins.

Secondly, both ost and soviets arent locked behind any significant side grades. Ost dont have any, because its tech costs already balanced by timing, soviets have moly\nades but price is very low in comparison aswell as, depending on your play, you can skip it. All 3 WFA factions on the other hand have some sort of a gimmic behind their tech, resulting in a plentora of "side grades" which are in fact just a way to delay teching, since without essentual tools being locked behind side grades WFA factions are the fastest to get late game units. This is not only very inconvenient but it also might really backfire, because not only you can make a wrong chose by chosing wrong side grade, but also if enemy is snowballing already they will just put you even more behind.

Thirdly while Grens\Cons arent as good, as say volks\rifles\tommy stat vise and on paper should lose, in practice its not the case. And here comes the balance dilemma. Should grens\cons lose almost in every single scenario to WFA mainlines, no matter what, in order to balance the cost difference and the fact that WFA pretty much dont have any proper support tools early or they shoudnt. And if they should, how then you going to adress the fact that, the second ost\sov mainline wont be sophisticated, players will just use support units awaible from the get go, which WFA armies cant even hard counter early to begin with.

As an example you can look at Ost vs UKF match up, where IS are stronger then grens at long range and Ost is just bullying UKF with sniper.

And lastly you shoudnt forgert that Ost\Sov have all the tools in their army. Starting from the fact that only they have stock flamethrowers, ending up with the fact that only they have proper stock rocket arty (I wont consider zu fuss a proper rocket arty, sorry).

That's not true. Some times ago Ostheer was weaker than OKW, OKW T2 was the get to go and OKW was at that time also better than Ostheer, Soviet had trouble dealing with them and people used to pick USF to counter them in tournament.
Ostheer has just been overboosted over the past few patches and only Soviet has been looked at balance wise vs them.

Well honestly its completly irrelevant. Unless WFA factions were clrearly overpowered in one aspect or another (or EFA underpowered), they were never picked over EFA faction.

Also it sounds like you are just implying that the only reason why Ostheer is picked - because its OP. Everything what made Ostheer stupidly OP in 1v1 was nerfed. Osttropens were nerfed, VSL was nerfed, Ass grens nerfed, Sniper nerfed (for every one, but still), tech skipping capacity nerfed.

And as for the fact that they were overall buffed. Well thx to the fact that UKF\USF were much more stronger then the soviets (around whom ost was balanced) resulting in ost struggling. Then it was fixed, soviets become UP and they were brought up to matchs new Ostheer power-level. And suddenly when both Sov\Ost became closer to the power level of WFA, they become the best factions.

It doesnt contradicts with anything I've said. The sole reason why Sov\Ostheer are much stronger then other factions - because they have answer to pretty much anything, at any time. Both factions have access to all the nessesery tools, with commanders boosting your over-all army and not just being "access to the stock tools" and they not rely on gimmics like "well you dont have X, thats why you have Y".