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Thread: Give me a reason why KV8 is OP?16 May 2014, 11:07 AM Jump back to quoted post16 May 2014, 05:55 AM__deleted__ Guys, There are two units in this game that are a doom for a certain type of enemy units being verry hard to kill in the same time with the tools you might have at thatgame stage. One is the KV-8 (for infantry) the other one is the Elefant on tanks. Now the defenders of KV-8 will say "but it only rapes infantry". The defenders of Elefant will say "but it only rapes tanks". Maybe Relic intentionally let these units in the game to be the doom of their pray. Before, it was pretty disturbing because german infantry is generally shit (in terms of durability) and infantry is the only german tool to cap teritorry. But now, when germans have also powerfull AI tools like the Ostwind or Tiger, things are more balanced, I guess. I miss though that FHT. Too bad they put that upgrade at a game stage when you need to build anything else but the HT and you want to spend your amo on anything else but HT upgrade. There is one quite noticable difference in your reasoning. KV-8 can be reliably countered by a single unit that is not doctrinal, arrives before KV-8, you can have a pair of them and actually do not require soviet player to be braindead to work. The same can not be said about the ele. KV-8 also do not roast your troops using supreme range. Its almost as if devs want KV-8 to perform the way it does seeing when was last change for it. That and it was nerfed both directly and indirectly in last patch. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: You will always want T316 May 2014, 10:24 AM Jump back to quoted post16 May 2014, 10:21 AMsimpelekees I'd like to add to my previous argument. That with agressive play, you have the CPs for a Callin at the 15 minute mark. And at 16th you can have a pair of T34/85 that actually can fight armor and are better against infantry. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Leaked oberkommando artillery!!16 May 2014, 10:22 AM In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: You will always want T316 May 2014, 10:07 AM Jump back to quoted post16 May 2014, 00:26 AMtokarev I can only partially agree with you. KV-1 is a really great call in tank. IMO it performs the best in conjunction with SU-85. Usually I build my fleet at 4 tanks total depending on what the opponent is throwing on the field. If I see lots of infantry I would go for double KV-1 and double SU-85, if there are lots of vehicles I will build 3 SU-85 and 1 KV-1. Same with supporting units. Infantry - double shock troops. Tanks - double ZiS. My point is that if you combine survivability of KV-1 and AT killing power of SU-85, you should have a solid combined force army. Throw in B-4 for more damage, and you will be more than fine. I've been doing pretty good with this commander in 2vs2 and up. Really great for what? KV-1 have gun that needs flanking to be effective, got much less health then before and every med unit got increased armor as well as penetration, including AT guns, which means even more indirect nerfs to KV-1. Current P4 can reliably take down KV-1 due to buffs it got. KV-1 is T34 without the speed of T34, cost of T34 and survivability of T34(1 more shot from all sources vs inability to quickly bail out of AT range). As much as I want to love KV-1, I can't, because this tank simply do not deliver. It can't pack a hit, it can't take a hit, it can't flank, it can't soak any damage anymore. Its much worse this patch then it was last patch, even with SU-85 support. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: retreat modifiers15 May 2014, 19:08 PM Jump back to quoted post15 May 2014, 18:06 PMMr. Someguy Heavy use of ad hominem I see. Not sure if you even know what ad hominem means... In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: retreat modifiers15 May 2014, 15:49 PM Jump back to quoted post15 May 2014, 15:36 PMMr. Someguy I don't think I've ever lose a full health squad on retreat by Flame Half-Track. The KV-8 on the other hand though... Funny how the FHT got nerfed and the KV-8 didn't. Then you haven't played the game from release up until march deployment patch. And do I even need to remind you that KV-8 is exclusively AI heavy tank late game doctrinal call-in and FHT used to be 4 minute non doctrinal reinforce platform with extremely potent upgrade? By the time KV-8 arrives you should have at least 1 P4, more likely 1 P4 and 1 StuG+pak. By the time FHT arrived, you were lucky to have guards. I know you still won't see the reason why FHT was nerfed and KV-8 not, but I don't expect exclusively one faction players to understand that or how balance works at all. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Bulletins for Maxim15 May 2014, 14:24 PM Accuracy if good for infantry, but in weapon teams case, its vet all the way. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: retreat modifiers15 May 2014, 14:22 PM Jump back to quoted post15 May 2014, 11:29 AMSmaug dude... not only flamers. I suggest increasing retreat modifiers in general for all units both factions. i just use kv8 as example ] Except, there is nothing wrong with it. If you overextend your infantry, you will loose it. Retreat was never supposed to be free "out of fail" card where angels descend upon your troops and with that divine intervention allow them to come out unharmed from the avalanche of bullets and flames. Retreat makes your squads harder to kill for small arms and thats about it. If you've lost squad to anything else on retreat, it means you overextended or were successfully flanked. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Poor MG42 vs Rich MaxPin!15 May 2014, 14:18 PM Jump back to quoted post15 May 2014, 13:10 PMJaigen And still you dont fucking get it. the problem is not the maxim. its the mg42 that is a problem. and still you continually derail the argument. All in all the mg42 is in most cases a liability. people simply ram their maxims into a mg42 or they oorah a mg42 and displaces it. and that is on top of all the other neat toys the soviets have for displacing a mg42. The lack of suppressive power of the mg42 should be obvious to all except a few fanboys. Except it doesn't lack anything. If you spot for it, nothing will come even close, oorah or not. If you don't, your fault for leaving MG alone. The moment you stop thinking MG42 is self sufficient unit like it was at release will be the moment you realize how to properly use it. Until then, suck it up. There is nothing wrong with either HMG and if there is, the problem lies between chair and the keyboard. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Poor MG42 vs Rich MaxPin!15 May 2014, 10:07 AM Jump back to quoted post15 May 2014, 09:51 AMOZtheWiZARD What's so hard in flanking Maxim's tiny arc of fire? I understand you struggle against this unit but it's not because this unit is OP or MG42 under performs. L2P time. Haven't you learned by now? If it can't be a-moved by grens or shrecked pgrens, its batshit OP and needs nurfnurfnurf. In: COH2 Balance