So far Ive only seen whining, contrived theoretical scenarios, "i dont like this and that", hyperbole, an apprent degree of faction bias
Dude... that like describes 100% of your posts in this thread.
In case you have missed the memo for the last 10 or so pages, the goal is to help cons scale in any way into late game unless you love seeing sniper and maxim spams until the end of times.
Anything will go, from weapon upgrade, to better vet scaling/late tier upgrades/oorah additional effects at vet3, basically anything that isn't doctrinal. |
Of all the the bugs and map changes, and problematic factions designs; this really ranks low. Now you know how frustrating it is to fight Maxim spam, M3 flame car, WC51 jeep, or Bar Rifles with Volks for several minutes until you can get a building and some type of soft counter for it up. I don't even see many players on their streams use this tactic that often due to the risk of losing their truck. Maybe players just need to move to another part of the map and cap there if they see the OKW truck.
You should watch Jesulin then, truck pushing(and before driving over) is his trademark move.
Also, maxims, M3s with flame CEs, Dodge, Bar rifles cost resources. SWs trucks don't and you can be legally map hacked to see which tier you build as soviets. |
10 inf kills in 13 mins...lol, and some people say that its antiinfantry ability is *super-excellent* 
Watch how Siberian for example uses them.
Its not rare to see 20+ kills on them.
Thats pretty good for dedicated AT, don't you think? |
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Oh so we're going back to where it favors germans, its asymmetrical balance, it favors allies, its bad balance? Cool beans.
Arguing you is futile because you're completely immune to any amounts of reason and logic and spin things around as much as you can so it suits your own arguments, so I'll just stop and try to ignore you in the future threads. |
So anyone lost here a game because his units got pushed or cover got destroyed?
Loosing game maybe not, but definitely lost otherwise 100% won engagements as well as made opponents loose theirs without losses of my own.
The truck is essentially a free unit that got as much impact in early game as kubel, which is quite significant for the first 1-3 engagements. |
The_Courier: As I said, a weapon upgrade option, no matter how it compares to LMG, would still necessitate adding native ability equivalents to Grens in compensation.
Cons:
-Weapon Upgrade
-2 native abilities
-6man and cheaper reinforce
Grens:
-Weapon Upgrade
See the disparity?
Anyways, as you clearly said, you no longer favor a weapon upgrade option anyways, so we might as well drop that element of the discussion between us.
Ninja: If Vet stats are changed, it would mean vanilla V2-3 Cons would outright beat vanilla V2-3 Grens, and also be very effective vs Support Teams.
I dont think touching the vet stats is a good approach to this.
Is ppsh negative equivalent to grens G43?
Is molotov?
Is AT nade?
And stop saying cons are cheaper to reinforce.
5x20 is not less then 3x90.
6 men squads are balanced by incomparably better dps of german squads, its already factored in the balance, so it is no argument at all.
Also, there is no such thing as vanila vet3 grens, LMG is too effective not to have it, so its not an argument as well.
Just admit already that you give no shit about buffing cons so they are actually useful after 8 minute and leave the thread instead of zealously defend your grenadiers right to walk over them in any circumstances. |
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And who said it should be in the same way?
Are you even reading what people suggest or just shooting artilerry barrages of denial from your festung bias bubble?
Last time I've checked there was more then raw weapon upgrade to make the conscripts scale better, also last time I've checked stats DP-28 was still only half as good as LMG and still, it wouldn't have to be LMG if it was weapon upgrade route. |
Well like I said, the ability will only work among themselves. Basically among Volksgrenadiere only not Obersoldaten, Fallschirmjager, JLI and weapon crew(not sure if allow it or not)
Ah, missed that part. In this case I really don't care. I don't see advantage or disadvantage in it. |
Well no.
Becuase by your logic, if Cons fot a native weapon upgrade, Grens would infsct be the shittiest of them all..
Im glad you recognise that, according to your logic 
That is still yours(extremely flawed and based on knee jerk reactions) logic. Trying to enforce it onto me doesn't make it mine. Its also your opinion, not a fact based on what exactly? Nothing but paranoia.
I'm sad that you don't recognize that.
I usually like throwing the ball against a concrete wall, but in your case its not even fun so I'll leave you with that.
If Cons have a native weapon upgrade option, like Grens do with LMG, then it would pretty directly necessitate Grens to also have 2 native abilities to match Oorah and Merge.
When T34 got damage buffs from initial 80 damage to current 160 I don't remind myself seeing P4s getting laser turrets. If you buff underpowered unit, you don't overbuff in rewturn the unit it fights against, leading to a step one, where the first unit is still underpowered. Its a simple concept, but take your time and let it sink. |
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It would do absolutely horrible harm actually.
Obersoldaten, fallshirmjeagers and JLI are the reasons why.
You could get them back into fight without any disadvantage at all, which can't be said about soviet units where only guards really benefit from it and they still have their own problems of being weapon piniatas.
Plus there is already forward reinforcment method for OKW in the way of medic truck. |
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