I have played a few 4v4 games as Soviet and I've changed my mind.
That thing is so fucking good. Especially with snipers, which help to take out PSchrekked PGrens and Paks.
Lowering damage won't help much, because 360 noscope long range AoE suppression will counter any infantry play anyway.
I think that locking upgrade behind T4 is the only option. Though I fear that it will repeat fate of Wehrmach Flamer Halftrack, despite it have no need to get into grenade range to shoot.
Personally, I'd better plant 4 mines in late game.
EDIT: I have to add that I never faced EARLY Pak. Opponents always tried to rush Puma/Panther or Ostwind/Pz.IV.
Now you know it... As I said before, relic said they wanted to encourage players to build light vehicles, but ost will never build them at all, because they always need to rush T3 units to handle the soviet T3 units...
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LeFH is amazing vs USF blobs and Major.
Versus Soviets, counter barrage takes out 120, ML or even Katy.
Not really. Use this ability then you'll find that the counter barrage is not accurate at all, sometimes it hits nothing with entire 6 shells and the enemy even don't move their units. This really makes me annoying. |
How many times do I have to repeat, the new patch gives more chances to soviet to use their T3 mobile light tanks which help their map control but limits ostheer always to choose solid defending units like paks or schrecks. Yes yes the T4 of soviet and T3 of ost are on the same level and both costs are ok.
The fact is,yes ost has ATGs ,schrecks and mines but which faction doesn't have ? Soviet has guards ATGs and cheap mines too.Also USF has bazookas and M20 mines and ATGs.Theres no problem about ATGs vs ATGs or guards vs shrecks PG but light vehicles vs light tanks. The only issue is ost lacks a whole light-armor tech when they delay the medium armors.
222 is just a thin armored scout car which can't be the same level with light tanks. Before buffing the stats 222 can't be a soft counter to M5/T70/Stuart.Relic said they want to increase the uses of the light tanks and more viable strategies but they should give ost "a real light armor" first, at least a soft counter to light armors, maybe a buffed 222 or a default puma can do this job. Now they makes ost the only faction which has hard midgames and always defends. Surely it's like the old meta time when soviet is against OKW light armors but now soviet has the early counter(SU76). The patch is such good except this one issue. Hope relic reworks this ASAP. |
Pios and Grens aren't the only units that can cap yknow. I often cap the frontline with HMGs initially and backcap with mortar and Pios.
One Faust is all it takes, and the Ostruppen help too.
You stop talking about godamn map control pls! Completely big talk imo. You can control the map with HMGs supported by mortars and pios? Aganist the soviets with T70/M5 supported? |
Sadly this forum has turned into a Buff Axis Yay, Buff Allies- nay. An m3 halftrack with more hp would hurt anyone.
So buff the HP of the 250 halftracks first? They have 240HP now. The M3 has 320HP. You want to buff it ? No. |
No. It's a no-brainer buff. |
I m sure its not pak its our bad players' micro is not flexible enough. You previusly have been saying that t70 is not a problem for you. And was complaining about m5.
With good micro single pak hard counters T3 forcing sovs to lose units and stop heavy T3 play.
Its is really L2P issue.
Right now you saying you want p4 for free win, its like geting tiger ace at the start of the game.
P4 was OP considering when it was arriving.
Plus buffed 222 is now capable of chasing and killing damaged t70. T70 getting engin damgae crit ussualy from a single hit of a pak or faust.
You completely ignore the fact that the battle is between T70s supported by ATGs and 222s supported by ATGs. The fact is ost lacks a whole light tank tech support. So it's not a L2P issue, but a balance issue.
When one faction must choose one unit to counter another, but the other faction can choose freely. It's a balance issue now. |
Semi agree...
Although the Brummbar isnt really heavy at all... The Pwerfer isnt worth going T4 for since they halved its rocket count and it has half the rage of the Katyusha. The Panther is the only decent tank in here and even that is pretty meh for the extra fuel you would have to pay to get it. (You could have 2 p4's AND be floating an extra 50 fuel instead of getting a panther).
Id take an SU85 over any of these any day.
Absolutely yes. The usless Brummbar costs 480MP+165 fuel while T3485 cost only 380MP+130 fuel... It really maks me lol... It seems that the GREAT Brummbar can do alot of works than the best medium tank of the whole game... Also, the panzerwerfer is just shit compared to the Katyusha which can be seen in every single game. It is just a joke that you must push an artillery unit on the enemy's face to make it accurate,while the Katrushas can do their works very well at great distance. Yes the only decent unit in ost T4 is the panther...The other 2 never worth it. I haven't built them for a long long time. Even the panther cost too much, and you can hardly skip to the T4 because of bad map control.
Im really disappointed about this new tech change. It looks like relic removes ost T4 forever and makes ost a faction which lacks a whole light-armor tech. |
Thats right
The thing is that AT guns are hard to micro. You must micro supporting infatry with them. Medium tanks (on this stage) require A+click and no micro at all.
With no offense to anyone thats why tanks are more attractive to noobs like me than AT guns.
Another purpose of this new patch is that relic wants players to use more viable strategies. But what ost can do is always choosing the defending units. Soviet at least has guards and their magic ability to stop vehicles but what does ost have?
IMO adding puma to T2, solved. Not to mention that the puma is just a thin armored car... Relic wants people to use the light tanks, oh good! But at least you give ost a light tank! Yes ost has paks , but which faction doesnt have ATGs?? ost is the only one which has no default light tanks!
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Why would you even want a second one?
It's a luxury sure, but getting to it in a normal game on average is very difficult. I see this defense of bad things a lot; because they said bad thing is good in some games rarely this means that despite it under preforming on average it's fine. If T4 is going to be the super - expensive tier then the Units in it need to be just a little bit cheaper/better.
Iv done my best to try and use the Sturmpanzer IV lately but it's horrible pathing just makes it plain useless. I spend half the time it's alive just fucking around with it trying to get it to go were I want I shoot were I want.
Never build the Sturmpanzer IV or werfer. Both are too UP now. The Sturmpanzer cost 165 fule while t3485 cost 130 fuel and E8 cost 140 in the new patch. Just LOL...... Just never build them. |