Profile of van Voort

y does no one use zooks as usf. It punished okw HARD

Luchs cant do anything if u have double zooks on every other squad. same goes for puma. since luchs is mostly only good vs infantry. if ur infantry hard counter it. OKW player has wasted his fuel

Zooks also handle okw tier buildings very well.

I think the thought process goes something like:

Observation: Zooks are bad compared to shreks

Conclusion: Therefore I won't get them

Result: My rifles get screwed by even the lightest armour


The Observation is correct, but is only appropriate for Forum Warring about Balance

In game you don't have a choice between Zooks and Shreks, your choice is between Zooks or nothing

If you chose nothing then you deserve everything that happens to you as a result

My observations on this recurring issue are that people are bringing multiple perspectives on this and that there are different problems involved; accordingly they need different solutions.


1) "COH limited heavy tanks to one per player so COH2 should too"


Solution:

Look at me, I am playing the world's smallest Balalaika


2) People in 4v4 are having Bad Wrong Fun (TM) with multiple heavy tanks and this must be stopped

Solution:

My balalaika is now backed by the world's smallest Red Army Choir


3) OKH T4 is too expensive so Panthers are not viable in 1v1 and in any case too specialised as AT. Further T3 does not have punch against Soviet late game. So most people just stall for Tigers

OKH core is however perfectly playable and viable


Solution:

This a matter of gently tweaking pricing, balancing and timing within OKH. There are lot of ways this could be done. Tigers could be put back further, Panthers made cheaper and given better AI, or Relic could implicitly acknowledge that T4 is not for 1v1 and buff T3 accordingly


4) In theory Soviets are designed to go T1 or T2 then T3 or T4 and supplement with call ins, but that's not what happens

Soviet T3 and T4 are considered to basically suck so people don't build them, call in tanks are generally better and more efficient so that is what we see. It also means that those Soviet commanders that don't have call in tanks are considered sub-par and rarely see use so the meta game is somewhat restricted.

Solution:

So long as Soviet core isn't believed to be very good, people aren't going to waste mp and fuel building the units from them. Forcing them to get a late tier building up first before certain call ins will not delay the first call in on the field. If anything it will be sooner because of the CP bonus from building the building.



This a core problem with the faction design:

If the Soviets are supposed to rely on call-ins then the commanders without are implicitly sub-par and need to be fixed.

If the Soviets are not supposed to rely on call-ins then playing a commander without them shouldn't feel like playing with one hand behind your back


Costs and timings can be messed around with as much as one likes, but without a clear idea of what the Soviets are supposed to be and commanders designed accordingly this problem will never go away

Better than my first try anyway

Which upgrades did you get?

KV-2 is fine if you use it as a late game unit that you setup to lock down a VP to stop infantry taking it.

As a battle tank it's not so hot.

And it's the capstone ability of an unpopular doctrine that will have a hard time building it


I doubt that we can really say anything whether it is OP or not because it is so rare

T70 of course!

To OP: Why there are same vehicles in light vehicle poll?

Most vehicles are in two polls because it is hard to draw clear lines