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I've tested it a couple of times and I think it sucks.
Cons:
It can't fire through forests so it needs a clear path to fire on a tank.
Super slow reload.
Super bad accuracy ( missed 4 out of 5 shots, the 5th shot was a direct hit to a non vetted panther and it did 70% damage )
I didn't get to test the direct damage to a tank but I can only imagine it's not as imba as people want it to sound like. |
lol this is a truly epic post
What makes you think someone that bought CoH2, has a computer capable of running it, and internet fast enough to play it online can't afford DLC commanders? I can afford to spend $10 on a McDouble at McDonalds but I'm not going to because its only worth $1 and that money could be spent on things that actually earned its price tag, like a meal at Five Guys. Don't charge a premium for a second rate product.
Well what can I say. Using your metaphor describing the situation the only thing I can say is go play whatever game equals Five Guys if COH2 is McDonalds in this case.
Buh bye!
To me, COH2 is a masterpiece even if I agree it still has a long way to go before it's as good as COH1. Pathing needs work, especially vehicle pathing, netcode needs work ( and hosted servers ) map balance issues and whatnot but still, I've played around 200 hours so far and I'm loving it.
I could go watch a movie that would entertain me for 2 hours and pay the same amount I'd pay to get new commanders that would provide me with a potentially unlimited amount of entertainment.
You need to look at the bang for the buck. |
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Exactly. Anyone who thought they'd leave Assault grenadiers they way they were on releaseday is insane.
This is exactly what I've been saying all along, it's better they add random stuff all the time at a small cost rather than never adding anything.
As long as you're not forced to buy anything to play I don't care. I'd even pay money to get tons of new 3v3 and 4v4 maps. Seriously. |
I'm looking, and I see that Sins of a Solar Empire has two stand-alone versions and one DLC.
Civilisation, yes, has abundance of DLC. I made the mistake of thinking it had only a few, but that's simply because I've never played the game. From what I have read of those DLCs, it seems that even these DLCs hold a far greater value than the, somehow, more expensive commanders of CoH2. Doesn't this only go to show how, at the very least, over-priced these DLCs are? Seems like whole new factions, zones, tiles and other features that cost substantially less than Case Blue, which was not all that expansive.
Though, aren't these two games considered to be more of a single-player experience, where as CoH2 is trying to appeal to the more competitive side of the RTS scene? A difference like that should make a fundamental difference in the business models you use, no doubt.
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As a further edit, I did a rough count of all the DLC available for CoH2, compared to those two games with a substanitally longer life than coH2:
Sins: 1 DLC
Civ: 13 DLC
CoH2: 62 (got distracted and lost count along the way, but you get the idea!  )
What sort of message do you think that sends new customers, 3 months down the line after a game is out? Not to mention whispers of P2W that are blowing in the breeze. Maybe someone would care to do the maths on how often it is that Relic appear to be grabbing at our money, while games like Civ that were released just over 3 years ago, are releasing better DLC, for way less.
Well to be honest I don't think it's fair to count every COH2 DLC individually because there's alot of cosmetic upgrades that don't really add anything to the game.
Count the commanders and we'll have more truthful number or better yet, count the commanders that contain abilities that you don't find in any other commander, new content that justifies paying for it so to speak. |
Right, because I am a customer, and that is who the game is made for. The method only works on F2P models
No. Please do check out www.steampowered.com and check out Borderlands, Sins of a Solar Empire, Civilization or any other big title. Many of them have DLC stuff added to them to keep the game alive to be honest it's alot better they keep the games alive that way than to let the game decay due to lack of funds to better it further. |
Mumbo jumbo from a rl Alpha Male who looks like a homeless person.
Protip: As a businessman, you should understand you shouldnt have half a mill sitting on an account doing absolutely nothing except earning a pittance of interest.
I don't like you, and I don't care if you like me. We're in mutual agreement on that so don't bother replying to my posts and I most definitely won't bother you again. Ok?
Great protip it's just that I just recently sold off all my stock because I consider the market to be very expensive at the moment. We're on the same levels we were on before the 2008 crisis. That's a protip for you. It's better to buy when times are hard and not the other way around. |
No, I don't know what you mean. You were both being as petty as each other, only issue is that at least Nullist was being positively more constructive than you.
now, about choice, you're right. We're not forced, but once again, when I paid for this game, I expected a full game, because that's what most other games do when I pay such a large premium for them - the full game. The choice I see these days, is not whether I'd like to gain full-access to the game, like I already ought to, but whether or not I want to play the game. And that means I won't be getting friends to buy this game any more. With a game that is really not that well known, or only vaguely, it relies on the opinions of its playerbase, and right now, the opinion is "P2W". that's not good for business.
If the company needs to pay its bills, and whatever other else it is you think, then they will need new customers. Not bleeding the old ones dry.
Now, in regards to Starcraft - it wasn't randomly patched. It was very well patched and had absolute balance, hence why it became so acclaimed, and even made it to a famous e-sports scene in S. Korea. Not because they made people buy new units every 3 months.
Relic already said that their sales from CoH2 are doing really quite well.
Now, if games in the past managed so well on initial sales to continue to support their game, then why suddenly do we have to pay for it?
You are entitled to your opinion but you received the full game on the release day. If Relic decide to release more content at a small cost then it's their decision. You are free to leave whenever you like. Hating a company because they want to make a profit is just good energy wasted because they will never provide you with free stuff.
EVE online, a great game btw, always brags about the free expansions they provide for their players but they have a monthly subscription fee.
Would you like COH to be free but at a monthly cost?
One way or the other, Relic needs to pay the bills and this is one way to do it, they just chose the business model where they add DLC to the FULL game. Something that's pretty common these days actually.
Take Borderlands for example, great game as well, DLC added on a regular basis, nobody is complaining about that. It's a modern business model. |
E-Penis and RL-Penis comparison, come on guys how old are you  stop that
Look, he was bragging about how uber his alpha males was and how insanely hot he is IRL and that I would pale in comparison to his awesomeness.
He had to be brought back to earth if you know what I mean. |
Look at your original post:
To that I replied:
Because
A) NOBODY HAS SAID THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT.
B) We don't know where the DLC money goes.
To that you reply with personal insults:
Who do you think you are kidding with your:
When YOU are the angry jackass who came out with that shit in the first place.
You fucking lost it, flipped out and started getting personal when I pointed out to you that:
A) Nobody has claimed they can't afford the DLC, as if that was fucking relevant anyways.
B) We don't know where the DLC money goes. Whether its directly to funding Relic development or softer toiletpaper for Sega's CEO, we simply don't know.
You utterly lost it at that point and began with personal insults.
I suspect you have rage issues IRL as well, thats why I ask if you beat your GF too, cos from my perspective, it would certainly fit the profile I'm getting off you.
My anger towards you is coming from the other thread where I didn't even bother to reply because I didn't feel like spending the energy required to bust your ass on the interwebs but you just HAD to reply once again with your learn to read bs.
You need to learn to read between the lines, alot of people who whine about certain things whine because they can't afford it. People whine about all kinds of things and the bottom line is they usually don't want to spend more money than they have to.
I on the other hand love DLC because if we look back on games like oh.. Starcraft 1 for example. One expansion was provided and some random balance patches. NOTHING else.
Would you like that to happen to COH? They release the game, one expansion, nothing else.
I prefer the DLC model every day of the week. It keeps the game alive. You can't expect to pay ONCE and then get everything for free because they have bills and salaries to pay just like any other company. It's just sad that there's tons of people who don't get that logic.
Bottom line is CHOICE.
You can choose to not buy ANY DLC. Nobody is forcing you.
I'm still using one of the basic doctrines and I'm winning 90% of my games even though I have the DCE and have access to all the premium commanders.
You don't need the DLC to win, that's why I don't care about DLC. There will always be balance issues and map issues such as Rostov where one faction has a smaller starting area but jeez it's a game man, not the end of the world. Shave off that stache man, it's weighing you down. |
This is the funniest bit:
Look at your posts. Look at what you say.
Who's the negative asshole in need of anger management?
Do you beat your GF too? I bet you do.
After all your alpha male talk all you can think of is that I most likely beat my gf too? Yeah, cool story bro.
I'm not rude to anyone but you because you always start off your replies with shit like LEARN TO READ or GO SCREAM AT A WALL YOU FAIL AT UNDERSTANDING EVERYTHING.
I usually treat people nice but when I encounter forum warriors like you with thousands of posts I just can't stand the bullshit your type often manage to produce. Treat people the way you would like to be treated. Telling a complete stranger he fails at everything and that he should go scream at a wall is enough to get me started. |
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