and what about assault grenadiers and the call in halftack? those are good units in their own right and they're stopgap units too. why can't that be true for the stug e?
+1
i still wish they could replace Stug 3E with P3 for a better AT ability tank |
Ah, sorry man. Did not know they came out later...
But the T-70 only has a small window to operate, just like the FlHT. I think if the Stug E came out earlier it would be devastating for soviet early game. I think the Stug E is a hard unit to balance and integrate into the game. Guess they should have tested it some more!
it is cool. i just don't like this unit miss infantry like mad, and even a T70 or SU76 can destroy a Stug 3E and Stug 3E don't have chance fighting them with out support (if u look up a page or two, you know what i mean) i think put in a Stug 3E is just bad choice, if they put in a P3 for the same price that can counter T70 and SU76 yet can't fight T34 and only have some AI ability it could be way better than what we have right now. |
Big difference in cost, man. And also, since there were comparisons to a KV-8 comes out fairly late in the game. There should be lots of AT on the field by then. Don't ya think?
true that KV1, T34/85 and KV8 is more expansive and come later at 4CP,but Stug 3E at 3CP the russian T3 could hits the field already and KV1, KV8, T34/85 4CP tanks is not far behind either, i just want some thing effective like T70 or SU76 not like a tank can't hit much before it dead, and stand 0 chance against russian T3 tanks, also the skill it have right now is waste of MU, also KV1 (forget price), T34/85(360MP 130FU each) and KV-8 (360MP 135MU) come pretty late game but they got their part to shine and able to do their role in combat and pretty good for their price, the stug 3E atm it does not serve its role well, not effective enough compare to T70 SU76 or Stug 3G for its price. Don't ya think? |
Why not make them a 240mp, 0cp unit that comes stock with k98s but has a 50 muni mp40 upgrade ?
i don't like the idea, i think back in beta that is what shock trooper is, it cost 360mp then need 120MU to upgrade, then they change it to cost 600MP and no one using it and now 440MP which is about just right for Shock trooper. still 50MU upgrade mp40 is not effective than upgrade to LMG42 for gren. i think 300MP is reasonable cost for Agren anything more than that is over price |
Yes, obviously it's best used in games where you DO NOT tech to T3. What's wrong with that? Nothing. For example, you should never tech T3 if I want to call in T34-85s either. It's just suboptimal play.
If you want to build T3, obvoiusly don't bother with the Stug E.
Teching costs ALWAYS factor into a unit's value.
do you even play as german? if german want T4, german have to tech pass T3 not like russian can just skip it, if russian bring out any SU76, T70 or T34, stug 3E have no stopping power to it, and problem with this unit right now is it come slower than T3 and useless if russian bring out any T3 tank, wait for the tiger? by the time there is enough CP for tiger game lose already. so your suggestion not to tech to T3 is not even possible with stug 3E's stats atm because it can't even hold grounds even with big number，
ps. i saw you ladder, so you are very pro COH2 players so you just use T2 units and stug 3E to hold out until tiger? well i guess it could be too pro for me to do it. |
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could you guys add message or notification on reply post, i think it could be useful. |
New patch changing AGs to 200mp 50 mun seems like it'll work.
yes it will work no one will buy AGs from now on that is what gonna happen |
copernicus already updated the extractor 
its better than an su76. the su76 has better penetration, but the stug has 20% more armor. the stug has the same scatter stats and aoe as an ostwind though, so thats much better than the su76 vs infantry.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApmrrrPr20ncdEpuSHcxNko1VGVFYjczYXpFZWhqOHc#gid=5
look at row 7
i don't think Stug 3E is better than SU76 in anyway, maybe by stats Stug 3 has better AI by auto shots, but SU76 have barrage ability that is anti infantry anti buildings, and it is what ppl are really using all the time to AI with this unit not auto shot, does Stug 3E have the same?
as you say Stug 3E have 20% armor but if u look at stats SU76 have double the penetration . if they fight 1v1 Stug 3E have 45% chance penetrate SU76, and SU76 have 77.5% chance penetrate Stug 3E
i use to compare Stug 3E to T70 yes Stug 3E have better AI by stats on AOE but it miss alot and not effective AI as T70, it have better armor than T70 but T70 can solo it fine by circling it
Stug 3E has same price as SU76 and T70 yet Stug 3E can't beat any of them in AI (by stats yes by actual game play performance no) or AT ability or 1v1 with those unit, maybe able win T70 if T70 sitting duck and fight Stug 3E head on, in reality i don't think anyone will do it.
ps. still don't bring up it don't need building statement it is just not a good reason |
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i say it suck because it have about same cost of T70 and not having nearly close to T70's effectiveness?
don't give "it don't need build a building and teching so this unit should suck reason"
KV8 is a unit don't need any buildings only cost 360MP 135FU and its german counter part brummbar which cost 680MP 140FU and require T4, follow that logic why the new Stug 3 should suck, brummbar should have better effectiveness than KV8 because it is more expansive and require teching and building. in the actually play, KV8 have way better performance than Brummbar, it instant wipe infantry like eating a snack, higher armor, higher HP, and less pop. yes Brummbar have more AT like 75 penetration vs KV8's 50 penetration....great for the price, tehcing and building requirement....
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They just changed the cost of assault grenadiers to 200 manpower and 50 munitions. That should cut down on the spam and force you to make a choice.
it is not just cut down the spam, it pretty much cut the uses of that unit, for me i rather wait for 60 MU and upgrade a PIO with flame or upgrade a gren with LMG42 it become better anti infantry unit than a Agren.
also they better buff the Agren nade a bit, i mean last night i throw a nade at two conscript squad which are stacking together(no cover) and i look at 5 countdown is all on top of those conscript and wish a good kill, guess what, those 5 explosive killed 2 out 12 guys in the area, a rifle nade from a gren will kill more than that, Agren nades are not anti infantry nade, is more like 5 firecrackers.
also that commander's 3CP stug 3 sucks, i hope they change to a P3 like a tank in between of T70 and P4 or a greman version of T70.
so i will stop use that commander until they change it become more reasonable, like i think Agren cost 300MP is reasonable, or 200MP 25MU （maybe, i still don't like the idea call in unit cost MU, wasn't that same reason Shock trooper change price?) more than that i rather wait for Pgren or upgrade grens and pio |
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