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Thing with pak43s is that most means Soviets have of combating them, use decrewing.
You should certainly be using a HT near by these units, with plenty of supporting troops, exactly like Flak88 in coh1.
Decrewng it and re-crewing it is the whole game mechanic of these units.
Soviets have a bit less actual solid ways to flat out kill it in one. On map arty is probably the best. IL2 bomb is only in a few mostly underused docs and expensive. |
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Maybe it should, but is that a realistic expectation? Its not our game to design. But we can press for tweaks changes to limit it.
KT used to be free call in, then changed to 500 MP. |
Here is another game, this time paks and Tigers were easily able to reppel the 34/85s after I had him pushed right back to base, decent comeback.
http://www.coh2.org/replays/11904/paks-tigers-own-t3485s.
Im thinking I will do T4 from now on with this for extra AT against tigers, and Katuskas against infantry. Should hopefully work out better. |
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Another game, this time German was pushed right back to base with 85s, and clawed back an excellt victory on 80 tickets using pak and Tiger crawl. |
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The Ppsh was well overpowered before, it wasnt even a nerf, it was just an error correction.
Weather the Ppsh is now with new stats, a tiny little bit underpowered, well that is something you could potentially argue.
But not the 1st one. |
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Its hard to compare Guards directly with Grens too much, seen as they are doctrinal and +50% the price.
Yeah they have more men, better armour and some AT. But your paying for it.
And its not like Grens dont have faust.
In real game situation, guards will often face 2 grens, which may very well have g43 or LMG. |
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Oh that is interesting, I would like to see more about which certain units have higher/lower effectivness against buildings.
Certainly grens and PGs own them atm. |
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I didnt go down to paks, the 1st tank took one or two hits from the 1st pak on the field, reversed off, it got fausted by a Gren, and then the stug hunted it (protected by a pak).
My other 85 came in with mark target to take down the stug and flamer engies to deal with the pak.
He microed the stug quite well, and my 85 totally fucked up behaving erratically, like they do when theres stuff in their way.
So he outplayed me, and I was also a little unlucky.
But that does not change that he did the perfect build to counter my strat. Most other people get rolled by it and moan.
P4 takes much longer to get the fuel for, and has less raw AT power, so it does not stand a chance against mark target and 2 85s.
Where as a stug (played well), can dish out more raw AT, at long range, and be backed up by paks (to prevent circle strafe). Its perfect. You want to keep the 85s at arms length, and thats exactly what this combo of units does.
Then pak43.. you have no arty.. you could call a 120mm mortar, but this is expensive, and playing into the Germans hands by slowing down your fast assault... he wants a defensive game in this situation.
One major flaw, was that I couldnt afford AT nades, which hurt me. Im thinking of going down to 1 penal, and more cons to help with that. But its a shame, because I do like the DPS of penals vs Grens. |
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AT nades, then whatever else are the best way to bring down FHT.
Guards on their own are only a soft counter. Yeah after an AT nade, they will mince it.
I just had 4 out of 5 remaining guys in a Guard squad all sponteaneously combust to the 1st burst of a FHT.. but thats flames for yah. |
Just played a game where my opponent countered my T34/85s perfectly, using 2 paks and a stug initially (+faust).
I played ok, but the pressure the stug put on my 85s caused some terrible pathing from one which cost me it, still he did well with it.
Then later on, an aditional P4, and Pak43, made no way back in the game for me.
Very well played by my opponent, and perfectly demonstrates what Ive been saying about paks and stugs as a counter.
Heres the replay:
http://www.coh2.org/replays/11897/perfect-counter-to-t3485-spam. |
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Charlie Dont Surf
Relic Entertainment
