Profile of Turtle

Try 2 in an M5.

I think it's time to unite the player base into a force that applies pressure onto Relic against a specific purpose, while still also rewarding Relic/Sega for making the right choices in overall balance.

Much of the complaints I've seen in the latest updates aren't directed at the balance changes, but at the commanders which are creating too much chaos in the new balance scheme.

This leads players to overreact, burning bridges, and generally making fools of themselves for little gain other than to vent.

This is counterproductive to actually getting the game we all want to play again.

It's obvious that there is some force within Relic and Sega that are pushing for this kind of release schedule, so we need to be a force against it. It's clear from various rumors that this is a problem with Relic and its new relationship with Sega, and only we can give the designers and balance team the ammo they need to push back against it.

As such, I say here and now I will not be recommending and even actively dissuading people to buy CoH2 and its DLC until more time is given for the balance team to work on these commanders.

Until these commanders are balanced properly, I recommend that even the pros, who I see as the biggest early adopters also avoid these entirely. Anyone who might get them for free or participated in the beta should be allowed to speak and tell the community which ones are balanced and bug free out of the gate.

Until a time as a commander is balanced, if you want to reward Relic when they release good balance changes as they have been, stick to just playing the game, buying skins and so on. Or at least sticking to older commander releases that have had a proper balance patch applied to them.

Both the leveling out of manpower and the higher manpower is a definite plus. If you notice, the only complaints are about the commanders, which while are a big impact, are a separate issue.

The problem with the early game is that you didn't have enough basic resources and units to counter the super specialized openings that some commanders gave, for both sides. And even if there weren't those commanders, it still meant there was a razor's edge line that you could experiment for starting builds on. The reason why there was the Soviet 1st and 2nd building changes is for that very reason.

It's funny how these trollers have graduated to trying to insult the entire community, then acting like people should listen to them after doing so. Dave and his ilk clearly have little else to do with their time.

I say instead of constant whining and wasting people's time on these forums, I suggest we band together, instead of acting childish and polarizing like Dave, and start demanding things of Relic as part of a united front. That front would recognizes the positive changes, as well as denouncing the negative.

So with that, I say, very good job on the balance changes, but the commanders are getting out of hand.

I will no longer be recommending the game, and will actively deter people from buying it or any DLC until Relic and Sega slow down the commander releases to give time for the balance team to work on them.

I actually recommend releasing bigger batches of new commanders, but with a longer amount of time to balance between them.

Likewise, I recommend that people in the beta server be allowed to speak early on about which commanders are balanced to the community to give a heads up.

I don't believe that paid commanders are inherently unbalanced or cannot be balanced, ever. But rather are an artifact of poor development process.

I also recommend the pros avoid buying these commanders, even for their various streams, as I see these guys as the earlier adopters and that needs to stop.

500mp start is a far cry actual high resource games.

While I agree that the commanders are problematic, the extra hyperbole and doomsaying on top of these valid complaints serves no one except your own high pitched venting.

I have found the Sov defence really strong actually, not lost a game yet out of about 3 games.

Its really easy to take map control while spamming Dhsk, supported by at guns.

The heavy mortar hard counters german mortars, then you can teck to T34s quite fast after that.

So essentially, this is the reverse of the situation 2-3 patches ago before the MG buff? Hilarious.