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Thread: RNG25 Dec 2020, 19:28 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2020, 17:10 PMKieselberg It´s the spiece which makes it unique! Some people seems to like just the spice rather than the ingredient which you are seasoning it with. In: Lobby
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] UKF Feedback25 Dec 2020, 05:14 AM This is the case when you need someone like CptSprice to see if this is viable or not. I can see the parallels to RET spam days, but the circumstances are completely different. No M10 Call ins with vehicle crew dismounting. AEC does not have Stuart levels of DPS. Bars were more effective in an assault. The 5th man requires resources vs vet In: COH2 Balance
Thread: RNG24 Dec 2020, 21:51 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2020, 12:49 PMOlekman ... Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2020, 12:57 PMKatitof That's just multiple resistances... For reference, check DoW1, DoW2 and Spellforce 3. It also looks terribly bad in setting that is not fast or large scale enough. While i think i understand what you are trying to imply, we almost had a model like that in the first days/beta of the game. But it's a nightmare to balance if all units behave in that way. Maybe it's worth trying again (deflection dmg) for CoH3 and applying a similar concept for infantry as well (early days all infantry had armor) with say "glancing" dmg been a thing for a failed penetration. In: Lobby
Thread: RNG24 Dec 2020, 21:47 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2020, 09:59 AMTiger Baron Both of these statements are somewhat correct. If we take the most competitive RTS games right now, those being Starcraft 2 and Age of Empires 2 (DE) you can view both there. While StarCraft is asymmetrically designed it has basically 0 RNG and of course it's balanced according to the top "pros". However that makes it largely difficult for more casual people to enjoy the game I would say and most are reduced to treating it like it's European football/soccer where you stare at a screen yelling for your favorite guy not to lose and screaming like a retard when he makes a mistake. In Age of Empires 2 (And I am specifically talking about the Definitive Edition here because most of the community has migrated over to it due to it's better graphics, improvements and continued support) the civilizations are somewhat mirrored with some minor differences with unique techs, buildings and units which in my opinion works best. Again of course the game is balanced according to the top players, however there is also room for the casual people and I would say this is why the game is proving to be so popular to both camps. Plus I also believe it has somewhat of an RNG presence simply because not all shots hit their targets like in StarCraft and units are not exactly robots that instantly take orders and turn on a dime and so forth but I would also say that makes the game feel more "alive" and "natural" rather than the almost perfect movement and response of units in SC. And like in that game units don't shoot on the move either. I personally think that CoH should do the same, as in have somewhat symmetrical design for it's Armies with little quarks for each while keeping the balance asymmetrical and balanced from the top down. Because right now it feels like it's heavily geared towards competitive play and the casual people which are a bigger part of the community feel left out. I also believe that the player numbers and statistics speak for themselves: https://steamdb.info/app/813780/ https://steamdb.info/app/231430/ I think it's a rather different cause. People can rally behind the competitive scene while also enjoying plenty of other things which are aimed towards the more casual players, even though the base PvP game is not changed with them in mind. Compare the modding capabilities and custom games modes from WC3/SC2/AoE2. Even if Blizzard basically got swallowed by Activision, they basically got a free more years of support for SC2 by having a extremely popular coop mode. They made the base game free (IIRC), same with the arcade mode, which is way simpler to install, boot and play. Similar cases with WC3/AOE2. In: Lobby
Thread: RNG24 Dec 2020, 21:44 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2020, 07:13 AMMr Carmine Indeed no to games need the same mechanics for retreat. But i fear this may happen with such abilities. What i have seen in in esports rts games retreat is mass teleport as a abilitie for 1 maybe 2 units/heroes. In both cases of wc3 and sc2 this is a "mass" teleport? Wc3 is ages ago for me and havent played sc2. In coh and dow2 its per inf squad ofc, for dow3 they said this retreat is basicly wrong cuz the kill/wipe was deserved and robs players of a deserved wipe or kill. To me this is an indication that coh as it is designed wont do well in esports, they changed dow 3 really drasticly in their attempt to appeal the esports crowd. SC2 is not designed around retreat as units don't have "veterancy". Same deal with AOE2. Economy/teching plays a much bigger factor. In SC2, Protoss are the race which have generally the few/expensive units with a high survivability if played well, therefore it kinda makes sense for them to have this 2 abilities (the nitty gritty TBF is solving meta problems). I forgot but Terrans have an "escape" ability which lets them teleport anywhere on the map on a long cd and that can be used both offensively and defensively. WC3: i've already said that 2 races can buy an item which let's them retreat "on demand" single units from the front. The game is designed and focus around heroes and compared to COH, outside of multiple heroes using abilities, there's not much "burst damage", specially early game, so units can retreat normally with a right click back to base. The success of an e-sport game is entirely depended on how easy is to organize a tournament and how many people are willing to watch it and support it. It doesn't care if the game has retreat mechanics or not. RNG or not. Poker is a thing. Hearthstone/Magic are a thing. WC3/AOE2 has RNG and they are still kings, even if they are "small" compared to others, they remain relevant after decades. People play competitevely Super Smash Brothers for eons even if the game lead designers call it a "party game" riddle with random items drops and effects and Nintendo have been trying to kill the "e-sport" side for years. Obviously people have different opinions about what is too much or not RNG but i think Sanders simplify it well in something that i agree with (i don't mind point blank misses that much compared to say Whiteflash). Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2020, 12:44 PMSander93 I think ideally RNG would be split three ways: - regular RNG like accuracy. Same as now. This is what makes the series truly stand out; - irregular RNG like main gun critical or plane crashes. These should be available in automatch, but they should be less impactful. For example MGC could give an accuracy penalty rather than completely destroying the gun, or plane crashes could be hardcapped to never kill entire squads; - Esports mode that removes all irregular RNG for tournaments. Basically this. Just for clarification i think that having main gun destroy is fine as long as it's gated behind other proper triggers which can be player influenced. And we have crits in the game (which are not used) which can affect offensive performance without completely killing it. To make it simple, why does vehicles do not get immobilized after hitting 25% instead of engine dmg? Because the penalty is too severe for something which can be outside of the players realm, both the one on the receiving end and the one dealing it. Same thing principle should be applied to the gun. In: Lobby
Thread: RNG23 Dec 2020, 23:50 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2020, 21:59 PMMr Carmine Dow3 was an esport attempt. They took out retreat and vet as well i believe. The took out cover and added shield bubbles on fixed locations that you had to cap. I also find it telling that to my knolledge no esports rts has retreat as in coh. If there is please tell me i am wrong. I remain adament that a game with this amount of rng even without mgc planes crashing on squads is to much chance to be an actractive title for esports. I meant that cheaters are not as prominant, i havent noticed any myself. No 2 games need to have the same mechanics. As far as "retreat" goes: SC2: Protoss have both recall in their HQ and their capital mothership. WC3: All races start with a "scroll" which makes the hero invulnerable and retreats all surrounding units back to a base. They can buy this at their own buildable shop or the ones spread around the map. From which they can also buy a rod of teleportation for their heroes only. 2 races has unique rod which let's them "retreat" units back to their bases as well. One simple retreats them back and the other puts the unit on a "stasis" and regens health. In: Lobby
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] General Discussion23 Dec 2020, 23:35 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2020, 22:03 PMSander93 As a QoL improvement, would people like ATGs and TDs to have Vehicle Priority on by default? This would mean newly built ATGs and AT vehicles, recrewed ATGs and recrewed Jacksons/M10s would all have Vehicle Priority by default so you wouldn't need to toggle it on all the time. The only real downside is that it's gonna take everyone some time to adjust to it. Yes. I'll rather have to toggle to let it shoot at whatever than viceversa. Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2020, 21:59 PMMr Carmine snip Use the other thread. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Aircraft spawn distance normalization.23 Dec 2020, 21:59 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2020, 20:09 PMSander93 I really wish they implemented CAS planes like this. Yeah, much easier to balance all single pass planes if they have to roam a bit around the map first in some sort of way. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] General Discussion23 Dec 2020, 21:05 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2020, 20:04 PMPip Sure, though do recrewed HMGs/Mortars need to be worse than they are now, out of the gate? I'm inclined to suggest they get survivability bonuses through something other than Veterancy though, as i mentioned the last time this came up. Team weapons are rather uniquely vulnerable to wiping due to their relative immobility, I think some sort of global upgrade would likely be more effective in making them useful lategame than relying on them vetting up to not die. I only agreed for MGs, specially now that they are receiving a couple of buffs. I think it's a way to make it easier to balance the performance of support weapons rather than their vulnerability been rather than if they had already been decrewed early game and now they are using normal main line infantry crew. Vet is there to counter vet, not increase lethality based on artillery or weapon upgrades. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] General Discussion23 Dec 2020, 20:00 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2020, 19:48 PMPip Do HMGs in particular need to be nerfed in this way? Team weapons in general become quite weak in the lategame, given regular troops' vastly improved damage output by that stage. AT guns i sort of understand, they're not intended to fight infantry, and are supposed to be heavily screened... but HMGs seem quite the opposite. MG/Mortar crews already have 1.25 size. The change should only meant for when they get recrewed by other infantry, as those retain their original size/armor. I don' think the change would be that bad. I also want support weapons to get similar defensive bonuses to RA to account for infantry vet as well and have suggested changes in regards to why support weapons become weak late game (mostly mortar/MG). In: COH2 Balance