Profile of elchino7

Buff maxims by making them cheaper
They already have a pretty bad setup time, no need to make it harder acquire, as it'll be less effective when spammed.

I see what u are trying to do here


Anyway, don't try to play SU as OH, and don't try to play OH as SU/USF. SU doesn't defend on the traditional way and OH doesn't attack on the traditional way. That's how the factions have been played for 3 years (discounting gren spam patches)

1-Replacing units is not something that is gonna be done most of the time (99%).

2-Is there any model inside the game?

3-Voice packs announcing the unit?

PD: the Stuart is fine.

so ? do we ruin the xpirince of the solo player ?

That's how most multiplayer work. The system is "supposed" to weight the value of premades higher than solo's so the later have some chance.

I think you are underestimating just how much damage PGs deal, or the potency of their weapon profile.

Unlike SMGs that don't deal any damage at beyond range 10-15 tops, PG MP44s deal great damage.

PGrens outdps unupgraded grenadiers up until range 34 (max range is 35) (their moving DPS is also vastly superior)

PGrens outdps lmg-grens until range 25, when lmg-grens overtake.

(all the-while PGrens have superior received accuracy to grenadiers, and now have access to the god-grenade)

Problem is people lose models on approach

Any upgraded squad doesn't suffer from this since their main DPS source is transferred to lost models. Improve vet1 to vet2 performance gap and PG should be golden.

The point I replied to was not on topic in the first place, using it now to arbitrarily shut down my argument is pretty disingenuous at best. I never accused you of demanding nothing but OKW-nerfs, so there's no need to claim that either.

Regarding your second point, I have to heavily disagree. Especially Ostheer can easily hold its own and in he hands of a good player take the initiative, if your infantry game is beyond perfect. The struggles don't come from a bad lategame (although the teching requirements are quite ridiculous compared to what you get out of it), but from the fact that the combination of weak infantry, low field presence, and higher manpower upkeep doesn't allow you to keep up with the enemy.
Riflemen easily dictate the flow of the game in any situation in a 1v1, if you don't make many mistakes with them. Meanwhile, especially Grens (although other Ostheer infantry suffers from this to a lesser extent as well) are entirely reactive. They don't allow you to actually attack, unstead of just filling out the places where your enemy isn't showing up in force. And that gets only worse later on, once BARs are hitting the field. Your enemies have better survivability, higher field presence, higher damage outputs (except for Conscripts and some builder units like Combat Engineers), and also better mobility.

These problems are of course not a part of the topic at hand, but the entire point we were discussing weren't part of that in the first place...

That part about OKW was pointing out your reaction towards Smith comment which you might lack the context behind that thought ("By that logic, the free squads USF gets when teching up should be placed behind a side-tech wall as well.")

The whole point is that you get access to early good support weapons, sniper and 222 combo of units to complement your grenadiers. You don't gren spam as 2014/2015 meta. OH not "attacking" has been it's playstyle since it's release bar gren spam patches (against SU). You know what other factions performs equally? UKF with tommies.

This is why i don't consider the early game an issue. What i do see as a problem is fragility during the late game and when trying to fight vet3 double bar/1919 while relying mostly on sniper play. This is why i don't think a 5th man upgrade after BP3 is not out of mind. Another "issue" is the whole vet 1 system for EFA (OH+SU) and i've been in favor of improving/tweaking PG veterancy performance (by the time they arrived they are mostly fighting vet0/1 against vet2 with possible weapons). IF the gap in performance between vet1 and vet2 is closed, then it might make them a little more easier to fill the gap of your army composition.