Profile of Kurobane

Cover and especially heavy cover increases the durability of unit significantly.

This has always been in the game though and its nothing new. If you give your opponent time to build it then they should be rewarded for that. Preparation for an upcoming battle is part of the strategy in COH 2 which is why things like mines exist.

An issue also seem to be the damage of indirect fire weapon where some people claim that do not do enough while other that are too power

This is one of the consequences with COH 2 using a flat damage system for everything in the game. Especially when you have generic damage reduction modifiers in the from of Yellow/Green Cover that add unrealistic/unintended combat scenarios instead of more common sense/simplified target tables.

For example Mortars (and grenades) could be changed with Target Tables to ignore cover damage reduction (like flamethrowers do) as these are tools designed to combat entrenched positions not be weaker against them. Realistically a sandbag offers no protection against mortars in real life, not sure why COH 2 deems it necessary to offer 50% damage reduction in green cover. Doesn't make much sense.

1) Sandbag target size change revert. Heavy cover should not be countered by AT weapons from long range.

This was one of the few good changes the balance team has done as it added consistency rather than RNG elements.

2) Certain weapon get improve modifiers for firing on heavy cover those can include Scott/Leig/mortars

Flamethrowers have this already, should be added to mortar based weapons so they can be balanced around consistent behavior rather than RNG elements.

4) Tank traps build time increased greatly, target size reduce, resistance to ballistic weapon and now provide yellow cover.

USF has enough nerfs as it is not sure why you want to nerf them further unless you want to swap the tank traps with sandbags.

Vipper:

The M20 has actually been buffed not nerfed.

Crew no longer has a bazooka.

That Bazooka nerf was a massive nerf so much so that the M20 basically disappeared from use after that and is rarely used now. The main reason why the M20 was good was because you could get 2 of them to inflict MP bleed that was not only cost effective fuel wise vs Stuart but was better than a single stuart while offering 2 bazooka vehicle crew squads which were useful at all stages of the game compared to a Stuart which has a 5 minute window of usefulness.

What is Stuart going to do vs Panzer IV? Nothing but Blind and hope it escapes however the 2 Bazooka squads could actually do something.

USF is ammo starved. Sure you can make the Vehicle Crew come out and give them Bazookas now but if the M20 dies then you just threw away AMMO on nothing which is why no one does that. The Ammo saved from the Bazooka was so huge that the M20 was used in almost every USF build and you saw the M20 every match. This meant you can get bars, drop an extra mine. No amount of buffs to the M20 made up for how massive of a nerf that was to USF which is why its a rare sight today despite it being one of the few decent things USF has.

Well as an example I am a 4v4 casual. I am not very good. But it only took 3 days for Relic match making to take my rank 360 USF and turn it into 4000. 3 days of full on ass to mouth from the Relic server. So I have ZERO hope that Relic can/will pull off Coh3.

COH 3 looks like a repeat of Dawn of War 3.

M8 SCOTT REWORK
(Proof of Concept)

Download Link:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2600799087





M8 Scott Rework Proof of Concept

Quick Notes

-Spent about 10 minutes to create this so may have some bugs, the purpose of this is to demonstrate/promote an idea, numbers are not final nor are things perfect.


Changes

-M8 Scott HP Reduced to 300 HP from 400 HP
-Auto Attack Range reduced to 40 (standard tank range)
-Auto Attack Projectile speed significantly increased
-Barrage now Fires White Phospherous Shells
- Cost Increased to 320 MP and 100 Fuel
- Vet 3 now grants +100 HP and +10 Main Gun Attack Range (Old Vet 3 Integrated into Barrage)




Reasoning
By limiting the Auto Attack Range and lowering the Health the Unit is much easier to deal with. Getting into range to Auto Attack is riskier however the Projectile Speed is increased so that it can fire like a normal tank round would. This also prevents an endless barrage of random projectiles/Cheese Strats involving Pathfinders.

To Compensate the Barrage Skill now fires potent White Phospherous Rounds.

Path weapon crews no longer provided extra vision.
Also stormtrooper, commando, jaeger squad can do the same. After all, why nerf them because top tier team/user used it so well ?

Agreed with this. Rather than commend people for playing well the reaction instead is "OMG USF Won lets find something to nerf" which is why we have a double standard in this game.

Why is it ok for Brumbar to Self Spot Solo with Spotting Scopes and Barrage Team weapons but Pathfinders and M8 Scotts (2 seperate units) doing the same thing is heresy and needs to be nerfed?

Why is it ok for Stuka/Panzerwerfer/Katyusha to outright delete entire Armies but M8 Scott doing damage to MG-42 is not acceptable and needs to be nerfed into the ground.

This double standard needs to end and instead balance should be based on the role of a unit and how it performs in its role.

A Good example of this is MG-42 and Maxim. Both different units that perform a similar role of suppression platform with clear differences between the two units but both units are able to do well in that role respective to the armies that they are a part of.


The problem with the M8 Scott is that it tries to be too many things at once without any real focus. Is it a Mini Brumbar or is it an artillery piece? It tries to do both while not being good at either. What is the exact role of this unit? It lacks an identity which is its biggest problem. Rather than try to be like the Brumbar which the USF already has with the 105 Dozer for that role, the M8 Scott should be converted into a dedicated artillery piece with similar efficacy levels of other artillery pieces like the Katyusha/Werfer/Stuka.

This means either flat out removing the Auto Attack Portion of the vehicle or adding some restriction to the units Auto Attack. Personally I would rather go with the removal of the Auto Attack Entirely with straight buffs to the Barrage. Historically M8 Scotts had access to High Explosive Rounds, White Phospherous and had limited use cases as a tank destroyer. It mostly used White Phospherous so removal of the Auto Attack with greater barrage range and white phospherous attached would be my personal choice as it would seperate it from the Priest instead of converting it out right into a mini priest instead of the Mini Brumbar that it is now.

If the Auto Attack Portion must stay for whatever reason then it should have a limitation set upon it like the KV-2 Siege mode in which the unit cannot move but will be allowed to fire auto attacks. This would give the unit a reason to have the Smoke and would make the unit much easier to counter wether it be via diving with tanks/AT guns or Air Strikes since it would add a static element to the M8 Scott and would allow for further buffs of the barrage.

Also lets not forget pricing either. I would be glad to pay 150 fuel if the M8 Scott was useful on its own without the need of having to spam them to counter team weapons (which a single calliope would make quick work of) and would make remove USF needing to pick up Calliopes just to deal with Team Weapon spam.