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Yup, happens. Sometimes it results in loss of tanks, frustrating.
Avoiding and killing ramming t34 resulted in those moments often. Not so much any more

Babaroga, it takes a ton more units resource-wise ot kill somehting like a KT. It is unreasonable to say "oh you should have that mean so and so AT sources. OKW can have cheap AT infantry in Volks and still have OBERS and Tanks for AI duty. For the Allies to even have a chance to stop KT, a lot of AI power has to be sacrificed, unless you go LMG Paras.

That is absolutely true, the best you can do is fend off and keep KT at bay, with bunch of Zis guns, until much latter in the game where Soviet Heavies hit the field. What good players/teams do. However that is unreasonable to expect in 4v4, for one side to be so heavily dependent on skill and micro, to fend off faction that requires little effort (talking about semi-skilled players that are part of most 4v4 games)

Which brings us to real issue here.
KT is supposed to be late late unit due to OKW fuel starvation and risk involved in going for fast KT, which is true in 1v1.

However, Relic in all their wisdom, haven't learned anything with Opel trucks and so on. And we have KT hitting the field in 4v4 way before anything that can deal with it effectively.

The real issue is that KT really needs CP timer in team games so it can only hit the field about the same time as IS2 as Relic intended for it to do. Not after 10 min or so. Limiting if player can pull one after having a truck destroyed or not, that wont fix anything.

It's just retarded that you have to face KT so early in the game and having to resort to playing entirely to survive, I understand that.

Ok, then.

"Once you lose your Forward truck, its pretty much GG."
Not true at all. If you have even one building each one has a strong AT unit in it to keep you in the game. Schreked volks blobs themselves are enough to hold off most armor, especially with a little bit of puppchen support.

Shreck blobs are quite easy to defeat at that stage in the game. Katy, Zis barages, mines, most allied medium/heavies have pretty good AI capabilities. Even Vet 5 volks get sqad wipes from Katy, IS2 etc.... They also lost retreat point and take long time to reappear leaving OKW with no presence on the field at all. Replacing truck is also a huge sink of much needed fuel and MP and in fact leaves OKW player in quite a bit of a trouble KT or not.
(it's difficult to support slow, heavy KT if you have to retreat your inf all the way to the base)

King Tiger is very easily a I win moment. If the allied player doesn't have at least 3-4 sources of AT it's over. Or atleast the decline will begin.

Why do you think you deserve to win if you don't have plenty of AT at that stage of the game?

An IS-2 will always lose in a straight up battle a KT easily. And I see KT literal stroll right up in front of two AT guns destroy them and then just fall back for repairs easily. AT guns alone are never enough to stop a KT.

IS2 is almost as good as KT, it will lose to KT if you stand at max range and have slagging match, its different story however if you support your IS2 with Zis and get IS2 to medium range.
Noob having 2 unsupported Zis guns taken out by KT is your evidence? lol

It's why we are having this thread. There is a reason OKW is so strong late game and it's not because of pumas.

Nope, however anyone can make a thread and doing so doesn't make it a fact or evidence.

So yeah, everything he wrote. Just reverse it and you will be closer to the truth

I play mostly Soviet and I like 4v4 the most. I played OKW less then 20 times since I only got WFA few weeks ago.

Playing as Soviet vs OKW I don't find 'death blobs' undefeatable. Also I don't find KT 'I win" unit.

What I do find is that most players in 4v4 who yell 'OP this' 'OP that' are really just incompetent.

Why:
Well, They make 3 IS2 and take on Axis Heavies head on at max range or charge 1 retreating tank losing 3 in process because they get flanked by other players. Having 1 or 2 IS2's and bunch of 'fall back position' ZIS guns is much better.
Don't use mines and complain about flanking, etc. FFS mines, mines, mines
Expect to win with arty/spamming Katy's
Charge deep into unsupported territory, get flanked by shrecks and cry 'death blob'
Don't cooperate with their teamates, don't anticipate when heavy armor is hitting the field after 500 games, take advice as criticizm and keep doing same fail thing over and over crying OP, etc etc.

Most 4v4 games are decided by matchmaker, since they are almost never even.

Good 4v4 allied teams can deal with KT and volk spams (not saying that Axis late game isn't a bit more powerful)

So no, KT in itself isn't the problem and solution offered would not fix anything.

There are plenty of threads that do touch on the real issues but this thread and this issue isn't one of them.

Merry Christmas and Happy new year

Lots of people are saying how it would be unfair to not be able to build the KT if you lost a building or just the flak HQ, but that's how it is for all their units. That's the disadvantage of being able to put those buildings up in the field in the first place.

The king Tiger is the only unit except the base ones that is excluded from this type of risk. The result is that players fast teching to the KT put their buildings in ridiculously forward locations that they could never really defend, knowing that the buildings hold pretty much no value to them other then delaying the allied players who has to invest a lot of time and resources to taking them out. Making it way too easy to delay for a KT, especially in team games.

Once you lose your Forward truck, its pretty much GG. Except in team games (4v4) where other players can carry you to victory even tho you don't deserve to win on your own merit.
Because you lost your Truck and pulling KT isn't 'I win' moment.

IS2 or few Zis can take on KT just fine.........

KT isn't really the issue with OKW balance

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea for the panzerbuchse rifle instead of pshreck for grens. Pshreck can then be reduced to 70 mu, and given to sturmpios who are not really spammable. The reason I hear a lot of the time for the shreck on the volks being important is so that OKW can fend of light vehicles, and if anything the panzerbuchse rifle will have a higher DPS and therefore higher value vs. light vehicles.

Of course, such changes will also require a buff for the raketen, most likely a reduction in the weapon "ready-aim" time.

In terms of price, I like the idea to make the AT rifle cost 35 mu, or maybe 50, and then panzerfausts for the squad (AT package). I doubt that guards syndrome will be a problem since volks are not really good AI infantry, and don't lose too much DPS when they swap out a rifle for an AT rifle. It will be similar to the conscript AT package, except that they will have access to one slightly better rifle.

That could work for 1v1, possibly 2v2. Think it would be a huge problem for 4v4 mode.

P.S. Volks are meant to fend off medium armor as well and support heavies vs allied heavies and AT guns.
Raketen cannot cut it and maybe Volks wouldn't lose much AI value but would lose a lot of AT value and become drain on ammo.
I am finding it difficult to picture myself wining 1v1 vs Soviet IS2 supported by Zis with VI B supported by raketen and AT rifles