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Thread: Sniper Role Overhaul30 Apr 2018, 08:20 AM Jump back to quoted post29 Apr 2018, 13:43 PMferwiner We have two original factions that are designed around combined arms, which means they need to support their weaker infantry with support units. Removing snipers would mean these two factions are either left with going back to mgs and mortars or spamming infantry. Is that the direction we want to go? That does not follow at all. Infact, the opposite is true since ostheer played for about 2 years without a sniper since it's hp was only 42. Ostheer is not known for mgspam. Sov t1 is also not known for combined arms. OkW and USF are also not known for spamming support weapons. Snipers are not needed for combined arms, they ruin it infact, when they hardcounter both infantry and support weapons. Jump back to quoted post29 Apr 2018, 12:59 PMSerrith We don't "need" snipers, but if there's an opportunity for us to include a unit that works well in combination with other units rewarding a diverse troop composition then i don't see why having that extra unit would be bad. But it doesn't reward troop composition, all you need is infantry with snares and you're good to go. Everything else gets hardcountered by the sniper. In a game about veterancy, unit retention, RNG, positioning, flanking and cover, a unit that ignores it all (snipers) is broken. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Sniper Role Overhaul29 Apr 2018, 10:45 AM You obviously put a lot of thought into this and I would be happy to discuss it with you. However, the question no one can answer, should be asked here: Do we need snipers in coh? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: How can these are so durable?28 Apr 2018, 13:10 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2018, 07:54 AMKatitof Stuff is going to seem durable when you are not hitting it, yes. Durability is also increased when one only plays 1 faction. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What's with the raks stealth?27 Apr 2018, 07:38 AM Jump back to quoted post27 Apr 2018, 07:17 AMEsxile What is annoying is it cannot be countered by its natural counter, infantry. Just hit retreat button. maybe give it the max range and camo but remove retreat button. Yep, but it can be one-shotted by tanks, which the rak is supposed to counter. Pinnacle of game-design, our rak is. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Early obersoldaten26 Apr 2018, 18:17 PM eh, spending 135 fuel and 700 mp for more AI while you really need something to fight that LV is not a winning strategy. In: OKW Strategies
Thread: I strongly oppose the Soviet sniper change26 Apr 2018, 08:14 AM Jump back to quoted post25 Apr 2018, 18:41 PMblvckdream coh2 community in a nutshell...maybe time to enforce some rules on balance threads? every argument just ends in "i am right because I have better ranks"... it´s funny how elitist some people are. In C0H2 of all games lol... Sigh, strawmans abound, but i'll keep it simple: can't balance a game around people who don't know what they are doing. And no one knows how to use snipers. Jump back to quoted post25 Apr 2018, 22:05 PMElSlayer You can still bleed Sov sniper for 90 MP when it loses model. You can't bleed Wehrmacht sniper if you didn't killed him. A mortar shell can still one-shot Soviet Sniper Team. One word: RNG. It's frustration from both sides if 2 models survive at 2 hp each or 1 model drops at first salvo. Same with mortars. And I happily pay 90 mp to keep a sniper alive. Jump back to quoted post25 Apr 2018, 22:05 PMElSlayer ONCE AGAIN why does Wehrmacht sniper shoots faster when it faces 4-man Tommies and USF/UKF support weapon crews as well as some of the other 4-man squads? 5 man upgrade? Besides the fact that ost sniper was nerfed precisely because of the brits and I also stated "brits are a can of worms". I wouldn't focus so much on the exception of coh2 gameplay that is brits. Jump back to quoted post25 Apr 2018, 22:05 PMElSlayer EXACTLY. But they are RAISING Soviet Sniper rate of fire while nerfing its durability. KEEP it 2-man, increase rec acc a bit. Do NOT raise rate of fire in order to compensate for durabiliy nerf. What's funny is that AS A MOSTLY SOVIET PLAYER (and sniper user) I think that this change is overall a BUFF to Soviet sniper. I still oppose this change as I hate that homogenization trend going on lately. I mostly play 4v4 with my friends and almost never lose Sniper to small arms fire. I do lose it occasionally to mortar shells. 82 HP is a good thing to have in such case. ON TOP OF RAISED RATE OF FIRE. Common ground at last. Small arms should be a danger to snipers, not the RNG of mortar wipes. Our difference lies in the 1 man, you oppose "homogenization", I call it balance since it will move the sniper away from RNG/prayer counters to counterplay that both sides can calculate and work with. The best factions have acces to the same tools with similair applications. Diversity for the sake of it is cancer. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: I strongly oppose the Soviet sniper change25 Apr 2018, 18:20 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Apr 2018, 15:56 PMElSlayer EDIT: I'll reverse question to make it more obvious: why does Wehrmacht sniper after patch have same durability as Soviet one even though it faces less overall DPS? Because it doesn't. Sov sniper (live) has more hp than ost (110 vs 82). Sov sniper is too durable. Hp is nerfed. Why does it shoot slower? it faces smaller sqauds (name 1 non-doc 5 man axis sqaud that isn't volks). And for the kicker, giving sov sniper same hp and same dps as ost sniper will kill ostheer (support weapon faction anyone?). So thats why. Hope it is all clear now. Jump back to quoted post25 Apr 2018, 15:52 PM#12345678 A OST player who try to kill Soviet sniper with his sniper, in most case, doesn't know how to play this game correctly. You just want to drag us to the old COH1 sniper warfare by changing Soviet sniper to 1 man. Congratulations, you just called luvnest a noob. And you used a strawman, get out. Jump back to quoted post25 Apr 2018, 17:20 PMferwiner Sorry, but this is complete bullshit. For multiple reasons: 1. LVs are getting buffed against snipers 2. Snipers get their RA nerfed. 3. Even this patch, most snipers die to flanks, especially soviet ones. Many die to indirect fire as well. Not sorry, this is horeshit. 1. Good players can have their counters out before lv's hit. 2.Only on retreat (still a good change, but good luck getting close to snipers). 3. 82 hp means snipers don't die to indirect fire. And above rank 200 (where balance starts) infantry don't get close to snipers. Snipers are a pain to balance and discuss, because not only do they shit on 90% of coh2 mechanics, they can also only be used by good players. So discussing balance with average players is even more useless than normal. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: I strongly oppose the Soviet sniper change25 Apr 2018, 15:50 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Apr 2018, 15:48 PM#12345678 Grenadier, especially with LMG, can take down Soviet sniper quite quickly if they are both in weapon range. Experiences from a Soviet sniper user. Lmg doesn't fire on the move. Competent sniper users move theirs after every shot. Hence why g43's are the way to go. Source: been on both sides, unlike most people. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: I strongly oppose the Soviet sniper change25 Apr 2018, 15:47 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Apr 2018, 15:34 PMElSlayer In comparison to Cons long range DPS it is higher. That was my statement. LUL I don't have exact stats to check it, but I believe it is higher at any range (assuming that both squads have all models). You wanna know why grenadiers have higher dps then their con brethern? 4 for 6 man 2 more rifle's AND 2 more bodies to drop. Math behind it translates into roughly 2.5 more dps required to be Equal. As for dps on long range, it's a joke since grens are moving, mostly at 3 men or less and firing vs a cloaking target. The only way to kill a sniper is with another sniper, and the 1 man change will not change that. And if you want to go back to sov sniper utterly destroying ostheer, please make it fire as fast as ost sniper. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Poll: should there even be a major balance patch right now?25 Apr 2018, 15:39 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Apr 2018, 15:27 PMShadowLinkX37 Ever tried GGmod? I heard this guy made this mod where he implemented explosives changes and it removed about 90% of the games cheese in 1 mod. Nah, that guy has no clue what he is doing, so very balance biased. In: Lobby