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You need to justify why it isn't okay for a more serious game to portray WWII Germany accurately. Why can Schindler's List or Band of Brothers do it, but not Company of Heroes?
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because you aren't controlling the nazis and killing allies in the movies. why is sex in movies ok, but why was the hidden "hot coffee" mod in GTA SA was such a scandal?

otherwise good points, i generally agree with you.

1. Stephen Fry would like a word with you: "It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?"

2. So you're saying that Swastikas(For historical authenticity sake) shouldn't be in CoH2 because there might be jewish people at Relic who might be offended? It's really quite ridiculous that just become someone is offended, that they should be given special privileges. In this case, it's determining what symbols, uniforms and etc can be crafted into the game.

3. I'd argue that games are an art and thus shouldn't be forced to conform to the poison that is political correctness or various laws the Germans have in place over in their fatherland.

4. Either way, the solution is very simple. For the Germans and Russians, they can have the censored version while free countries like Canada, the UK, the US and etc can have the uncensored version.

1. good quote, and venerable one. i would agree with the quote most of the time but not this time for one reason: too minor of an issue and we aren't discussing about swastika in a meaningful way, as in we are about to engage in thoughtful and intellectual debate. no, we are just arguing about whether to put this lousy offensive symbol in a game for what? to please a few who are obsessed to put in a game.

2. yes, ppl get offended by it for a very good reason. putting swastika in game won't advance society's acceptance towards swastika etc etc. again, too meaningless and trivial.

3. good point, but coh2 is about battling. it is not a game where it makes you ponder about atrocities of war or political aspects of the war etc etc.

4. or just not bother, because in every country, there would be at least some ppl offended by it so why bother? why bother to stir up emotions for no reason?

The Swastika isn't banned in the UK, Canada and the US which is where the CoH franchise has made most of its capital, so if Relic were to add swastikas(I wouldn't want them on vehicles since most German vehicles had the iron cross on it instead of Swastikas) I really can't see it affecting the franchise.

just because you aren't restrained by law, does not mean you shouldn't restrain yourself.

maybe there are jewish developers in relic, which is very possible

Plenty of games just use alternate textures for German laws.

0. There's no reason they couldn't use the current textures for Germany, and more historically accurate ones for everyone else. Much like how Wolfenstein did it.



1. What is your point? Yes, the Germans used symbols in WWII, and those symbols should be present in a game depicting them in a historical context. You'd be hard pressed to find a long-standing symbol in human history that doesn't have some terrible atrocities associated with it. What makes nazi symbols any worse than soviet symbols? The campaign directly touches on the issues of Soviet war atrocities for fucks sake.





2. Thinly veiled ad hominem attacks are still attacks at a persons character. I'm not sure about Coh2, but I know the original game certainly has the SS in it.



It makes every effort to be historically faithful. Accountings of real companies, real war situations (OKW being late 1944-1945 german forces for example), and the Soviet campaign contending with real war atrocities. Sure, Relic bungled their research for Coh2 but they also went out and did quite a bit of research. Especially in regards to the visual portrayal of uniforms, vehicles and environments.

3. They didn't shy away from offending Russia, why should they shy away from offending Germany?

0. wolfenstein is over the top ridiculous murder-all-nazis fps. because of its such arcade-ness made it more ok imo. while coh2 is technically an arcade, it isn't so trivial like wolfenstein

1. nazism caused the most deadly human conflict and very recently. soviet symbol is just as bad to me, but since they were technically invaded by nazis and that they were allies during the war and existed for longer time, which brainwashed a lot of ppl ( i had a half ukrainian and russian roommate who was defending stalin lol) make them ok i guess. i don't agree with it, but that's just how it goes.

2. all german armed forces was invloved in systematic murder of jews, occupied subjects etc etc. but since it is better to forgive and forget, people generally don't hold grudges against ww2 wehr soldiers etc etc. but what SS, especially ones assigned to guarding death camps and carrying out systematic killings, went too far to be either forgiven or forgotten.

3. that is because russians are very very proud of their nation and history, to put it nicely. i palyed the campaign many times, but it makes superior officers and stalinst government look evil, but noooooooooooooo, even that is too much. you mustn't offend the great bear.

just watch stalingrad(2013) if you want to know how some russians see the war as.






Back to topic: i don't mind current symbols in game. they are really small and look fine to me.

i have been playing AA exclusive with rangers only and there a bug i noticed.

holster pzshreck does not work 100% of the time. i holstered them but they come out somehow so to get it back holstered, i got to take out shreck and put it away again. but then somewhere down the road, the shreck will come out again for some reason.

btw, i didn't pick up extra schrecks.

also not sure if this happens with bazooka, because i upgraded to schreck simultaneously with the zook

just make them retreat to near the t0/t1 building ~range of 3-5?. so that they don't have to touch the freakin building to finish retreating.

didnt choose m20 because i believe this fantasy faction would have normal mines?

chose okw flak halftrack due to its insane potency when used impeccably.