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This is great work, but I suggest a different approach.

Instead of doing this manually I think you should develop a web application that automates the process (just like the new feature on coh2-stats website). This way you dont have to keep updating the charts and people can select the units to compare as they choose.

No. TensaiOni has his page, I'll keep up a spreadsheet as I use that to experiment and test new values.

Another suggestion is to change relative dps to actual, because right now its giving confusing results like the higher dps unit getting a lower graph for example.

This is relative DPS, because I do not think that a lot of people really understand the other DPS graphs. They look where their DPS is higher and then try to get to that range. These Graphs should help people to show where the ideal engagement range for an enemy unit is. CoH2 contains so many different weapon types and the engagement range is different depending on whatever unit type you fight.

You are using the figures that include aimtimes and reloads?

Mention of whether they are static or moving derived accuracies would also be helpful.

Yes. That's full DPS as usual. As I said earlier, the guide contains already sufficient explanation. I just want feedback on which way you'd like the graphs

I feel this would be the most useful and easy way to read the graph.

You can at a quick glance see whether a unit is the favourite in the selected engagement over a selected range while also comparing everything on the same scale and keeping it relative.

There are scaling and readability issues with using the "total" DPS as a measure.

Having it normed, no matter how makes it IMO harder to read to be honest :/
I just tried several ways, for example:



I find the first ones best to read

This has nothing, utterly nothing to do with balance. This is a thread about the DESIGN of the factions.

As a reply to your ramblings: It's a game. If Ostheer is more appealing to you because it has more artillery / airstrikes, why don't you play as them? I wouldn't look for "nationality" or "faction" to choose what I play as, but simply the faction I enjoy most. They are designed very differently in this game, but each faction has it's strengths and weaknesses.

Heya guys,

I am currently working on a guide to best show the engagement ranges from the point of view of a squad. In order to have this as good as possible I need some input from the community.

Adding all squads into a single graph is impossible, you won't be able to see much anymore. Similarly splitting it up into several graphs means the information for a unit is also split, which I personally dislike.

Even just focusing on the core squads (+ some upgrades) results in such a graph, which is far too big (click on the picture for bigger size):

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Therefor I'd like from you a list of units to compare to from the Axis and the Allies side.

My personal list right now would be:
Axis:
Conscript
Conscript + PPSh41
Shock Troops
Guards + DP-28
Riflemen
Riflemen + 2 BAR
Riflemen + 2 M1919A6

Allies:
Grenadiers
Grenadiers + LMG
Panzergrenadiers
Assault Grenadier
Sturmpioneer
Volksgrenadier
Obersoldaten

And limit the chart to 5 times effectiveness. Shocks and AE have great short range DPS, but their long range DPS is abysmal. Other units tend to have up to 30 times their effectiveness on long range, which without this limitation would cause all other values to be almost indiscernible.

Which would look like this:
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And respectively:
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I'd like to know if you would add a unit or omit one. Please keep in mind that the more units added, the harder they get to discern. I found 7 is the maximum where you can still see the differences.
Some units I would always omit are either Shocktroops or Assault Engineers as the have really similar DPS( 71 and 68 close, .6 and .9 far).
An alternative I was thinking about would be norming the DPS, so that the best engagement range vs a squad is always 1 and the worst 0. The problem with that is it causes the graphs to overlap extremely often. That's why I did not use it.

If you have any other suggestions, feel free to state them!

If I am playing a 2v2 with Ost / OKW I usually go for truckpushing. My teammate plays a heavy T1 and I play a heavy T0. The fact that he is not forced to early get T2 for a PaK and I do not need to get a building up early for the leIG or healing basically allows each of us to field an additional unit. Once I get close to being able to afford a Puma I'll then go for it, while he'll build a medic bunker in base.

Due to this strategy I have no need for a truck within the first ~5 minutes. If I lose the truck within the first 1-2 minutes I have no downside at all, but it usually allows me to win at least one, someones even two fights. More often than not I can even cause it to die in a position that I can easily salvage.

So in conclusion I have no downside, but have a far easier earlygame and 5 fuel in most cases by truckpushing. So yea, definitely worth it.

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Your understanding of the mechanics is flawed. The range values are just one kog in the whole machine.

Once again with a bit more explanation:
There are 5 ranges in the game
[Min, near, mid, far, max]

These stats set where the corresponding range is. Min and max range should be self explanatory. The other three are far more important. Almost every value that determines the DPS of a weapon has three values or modifiers, one for each of those ranges (near, mid, far). That means you can calculate 3 DPS values for them. The values for the ranges near/mid/far then determine where those values are. Between the min and near distance it always uses near and between far and max it always uses far. Besides that it linearly interpolates between near and mid for intermediate points and between mid and far.

A bit abstract that means you have 3 values to create the graph, at the end it keeps the value till it reaches the borders defined by min and max.
For a more graphical explanation:
| | range: {
| | | distance: {
| | | | far: D;
| | | | mid: C;
| | | | near: B;
| | | };
| | | max: E;
| | | min: A;
| | };



So while the "near" value is important for the fact where a weapon deals (usually) the maximum of it's damage, it's far from the only important value. SMGs for example tend to have low DPS at the "mid" range and a "mid" range that is somewhere between and 15 and 20, which means their damage starts to drop off a lot after the near range. Assault Rifle profiles on the other hand still tend to have a rather high mid range DPS. This causes their damage to drop slower. For an example look at my earlier posted linked at the end of this one.
This actually tries to accurately model the actual weapons performance. While an Assault Rifle is a good close range weapon, it's performance is not as good as a dedicated close range weapon. It's a weapon that is good to use at all ranges, but excels at none.
This has a major impact in the game due to the fact that few weapons have "good" mid range DPS, so relative to other weapons an Assault rifle usually deals most damage at mid range. In an earlier post I made an image to compare the Sturmpioneers to other units (http://www.coh2.org/topic/23832/stormpioneers-post-patch/post/213620) and Tensai actually made a comparison tool for his page (http://www.coh2-stats.com/compare).

In the picture comparing the DPS of the squads you can see a few things:
Conscripts (Bolt Action Rifle) profits little from getting closer. Relative to most other weapon profiles, this is best at long range.
Assault Engineers (SMG profile) damage drops off a lot after a certain range. Relative to most other weapon profiles this is best at short range.
Sturmpioneers / PGrens (Assault Rifle profile) damage drops off slowly over the range, but is still a lot higher up close than long range. Relative to most other weapon profiles this is best at mid range (outperforms dedicated short and long range weapons there).
Riflemen (Carbine profile) profit somewhere in the middle between an Assault Rifle and Bolt Action Rifle. This means it's hard to judge their best engagement range vs other units. Against bolts getting closer is better, against SMG usually the mid range is best and against Assault Rifles long range.