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Sry, but I just couldn't resist when I saw this thread

I honestly think you have not understood why the Tiger Ace was problematic. First of all, it's a Tiger Ace, no King Tiger. Second - The fact it was free and instant made it extremely problematic. Third - It's economy changes basically forced you to attack and basewipe or to camp out the last few CPs (if you were close).
The strengths itself was something bad, yes, but the biggest problem was that it was free, which meant it often ruined balanced 1v1s.

Besides that now to your comparison with the Jagdtiger. This unit can be built repeatedly, is the most expensive unit in the game and for a faction that is inherently resource starved. I don't think the opposites could be bigger. Free vs most expensive ever. Reading on you talk about massing them. One Tiger Ace vs massing Jagdpanzers. Slowly you should notice that this comparison lacks in so many parts. If you now say "but both super strong boss units" - That's not the argument you make! You explicitly say that the unit is fine, but that massing it is a problem, at 5 it's critical.

Besides those obvious flaws, best damage in the game goes to the B4, Sturmtiger and many other Howitzers. Low risk unit? One flanking stuart or T70 can take it out as it gets crew shocked each time it gets a damaging hit (which is almost all the time at the rear). It can't protect itself, so you need to protect it or it's dead weight. I'd say that's the opposite of a low risk unit. If you want to counter it in 4v4s and cannot flank it - have a Soviet player with a ML-20 or B4. Team composition is important.

Now let's look at your so called "fix", which is according to you the perfect solution. 51 pop. That means you can barely field enough to keep it save from flanks and that unit alone will drain you of so much manpower, you'll probably never see it fielded except in low skill 3v3 or 4v4. The unit already is rarely seen 1v1 or 2v2, after such a fix probably never. Instead of such a dumb fix to accomplish the same one could make a limitation of one on the field per player or like the Tiger Ace a one time call in. That would accomplish the same, but in a way that does not ruin it for other gamemodes. Besides that I don't think that it needs a fix in that regard, if the opponent can field so many units, you already made a major mistake.

I hope this shows you that it's not so easy to make balance. You have to look at all game modes and from all points of view. You need to sometimes be creative about how to change stuff instead of going for the most obvious solution. I'm just annoyed by people who constantly shout "Aw ma gawd, Relic Y U NO BALANCE?", but then make badly researched suggestions that show they did not even really understand the concept of some things. Ignorant, but loud and complaining.

StG44 Obers actually SHOULD beat Shocks in almost every case. The infrared StG44 is less of an upgrade, but more of a sidegrade turning it to a short/mid range focused squad instead of a long ranged one. At roughly 550 MP value (400 + 90 * 1.66) they are the most valuable infantry squad ever. Second most valuable is the PGrens with Schreck (340 + 120*1.66 = 540) and third is Paratroopers with 535 value.

Added Fallschirms to http://www.coh2.org/topic/18852/official-obersoldaten-op-thread/post/175033
btw. You can nicely see how they are something of an intermediate between Obersoldaten and PGrens not only in role (not as extreme short/long range), but also in overall performance.

Fallschirms are 380 manpower. They get called in for 440 manpower, but their actual value is 380. If you reinforce them it says "47.5" right? Reinforce is usually half the entities value.

-- 0 -- 5 -- 10 -- 15 -- 20 -- 25 -- 30 -- 35
71.09 71.09 28.90 04.33 02.69 01.45 00.59 00.59 Shocks
33.65 32.87 32.14 31.43 30.71 29.96 28.98 27.99 LMG34 Obers
64.24 62.99 54.23 36.92 29.44 24.20 19.04 14.34 StG44 Obers
59.22 59.22 49.86 30.44 22.07 15.98 10.23 04.83 PGrens
42.11 42.11 38.36 30.47 26.55 23.61 20.92 18.46 Fallschirmjäger

Keep in mind that the StG44 for the last one are better against cover (they do NOT ignore cover, but do not have so much reduced dmg vs it) and have better moving modifiers than the LMG34. Also added PGrens since a lot of people say they have such a low damage. At 14 range they actually deal more dmg than Obersoldaten and as you can see they almost deal as much damage as StG44 upgraded Obers.

Just the first 2 or whatever minutes. A small proof of concept that you can still use the pushing to make Rifles move around and allow you to close in with Sturmpios and kill them. Since the trucks are free (3 minutes to get the next one after the last one died / was converted) there is not much incentive to not use them this way. Usually you can't get a puma out till min ~5/6, so losing the truck at min 1-2 is no problem. Please give trucks a 200 MP value and remove that from the teching, so losing them actually hurts and they are no free scouts.

Rest of the game is just a usual placement match.