Profile of rumartinez89

Thats pretty much my point. I wasnt proposing any major changes to its combat perfomance and be just as strong in right hands combat wise, but it should be just easier to pushing at least if enemy gets cocky or plays wrong with it.

Because right now, there is really not much you can do about it, but to either outplay your opponent\use Stuka or rely on enemy making a somesort of a mistake.

Was thinking about you during an earlier game today. Had double mortars against a Ost turtler 1v1, I got cocky and in the middle of bombarding him he got me with a rifle nade. Mortar survived and retreated while I pushed him back.

Yea, I feel like it is fairly unique compared to other commanders. Going T2 with mg and mortar for back up should work quite well. I feel you would only need 1 conscript with the upgrade during LV phase so shouldn't hurt you AI too much. If you go T1 you could get a clown car for PTRS shenanigans.

Random shower thoughts about infantry upgrades. I know it is fairly late for changes to be made since the last patch is supposedly the last one.

1. Why is the Gren G43 upgrade only 2 models, why not 3? Maybe the ability to further upgrade at BP2.

2. I see a lot of people complain about SVT conscripts. Most of the issue seems to be around efficiency not DPS of the unit. Why not remove ability to build cover if upgraded with SVT to promote mix of conscript squads so it is no longer a no brainer upgrade.

3.While on the topic of Airborne weapon crate SMG penal could get smoke grenade or "hit the dirt" ability.

4.Why not give LMG airborne guards "hit the dirt"? Seems counter intuitive to give them the same VET1 ability the PPSH squad gets. Suppression allows the PPSH to come in close along with the smoke nade synergizing really well with the purpose of the unit as a stealth/close range squad. Hit the dirt would allow LMG Guards to fulfill there role as soviet elite long range unit.

5. This is a little more out there but each Ostruppen commander gets a different upgrade. One get the Gren G43 upgrade while the other keeps the LMG.

Thoughts?

I am not saying it should be just as vulnerable to axis indirects as other mortars, what I'm saying that you practically cant counter it with your indirects even if you play right\enemy plays wrong. Even ostheer counter-barrage dont work.

There is a difference in being "hard to counter" and "almost impossible to counter". This problem only leads to the fact that soviet players can get 120mm mortar closer to the frontline, effectively neutralising the fact that its auto-fire range was nerfed. Or if there are mass enemy indirects\inf to stay at safe range and use barrage.

And speaking of situations you've discribed, yes its true that its less effective against blobs, but the problem is that in teamgames soviets already abusing maxims themselfs on a line maps or use penal blobs themselfs into 120mm mortars.
With maxims its self-explanatory, with Penals even if Ostheer\OKW goes full gren\volks build, you just need to stay in cover with your penals and zone volks\grens away from your 120mm, because they cant push penals into close\mid range and 120mm mortar in long fire-fights will eventually hit them.

In vacuum yes, 120mm is vulnerable to flanks and mass inf, but on practice its really hard to get to it. By the time soviets can call-in 120mm mortars both Ost\OKW dont have properly established army to orginize such pushes, which can "just" overhelm. They might be able to out-play soviet player, but its a question of a player skill which is irrelevant on the topic.

And even if you somehow managed to flank and push, soviet player still have 4 models to spare + retreat button on top of it.

Situation is becoming even more ludacris when you add supporting teammates.

I mean sure Panzerwerfers can counter it, Stuka can counter it somewhat, but what difference it makes if you are unchallanged for at least 1\3 of the game (without stuka around for even more). Which on its own just allows you to snowball like crazy.

Just theory crafting, as Ost have you tried making the mortar halftrack. They hit the field at the same time and the halftrack is more mobile so you should be able to keep pressure up. As OKW maybe the fire rounds I know it is doctrinal but it should constantly force the mortar to move which makes it fairly useless.

I have been trying different commanders that seem to synergize with T1. Counterattack seems decent with Shocks/Mother Russia/KV1. Recon planes are always useful and B4 depends but can be extremely good. I like KV1 vs OST 1v1 due to it forcing an escalation to BP4 for more consistent performance in tank fights.

Started with engi/car and noticed he had 2 pioneers. Most likely meant he was going for T1 skip then I saw ass grens so I knew he was skipping. He attacked the cutoff early and I stalled him with penals and retreat before any model loss to try and reduce MP bleed as much as possible. While he is at my cutoff I use clown car to get both his cutoffs which forces him to back track to recap. I push him back with Penals and recap my cutoffs.
I lose my Clown car when I try and tell it to go somewhere else and it decides to do a 360 degree turn. I then see he rushed out a 4min Pgren so I am at an inf disadvantage since I know scout car is coming so one of my Penals needs to be upgraded. He rushes to cutoff my fuel again but I finally have 2CP so I call in Shock troops. At the same time I send 2 penals to his cutoff which slows down his reinforcement of PG. My Shocks end up wiping his PG as they retreat but I thought they had gotten away so I held on to a Penal on the retreat path but didn't see them. The loss of this PG really messes up his strat since I can now bully him with Penals as shocks close in.
I rebuild car to go Scout car hunting, lose it but get the scout car abandon. I rush to it with my infantry so make sure he doesn't repair it but he accidently destroys it as his MG opens fire.
At this point he gets really passive, so I finally have time to save for base healing and build tech structures while gaining map control. I don't want to build a T70 since I am pretty sure he is trying to get a Stug E out as soon as he can. I send my engi to the mid and see what he has been doing. He built some MG and to defend middle while he built bunkers and S-mines to lock it down. Going to have to deal with it but dont have enough munis yet to take it out at once. He ends up building another PG which I bully with a Penal and Shock trooper, wiping it with a retreat nade. Felt great since I always mess that up. He gets MGs on his bunkers and moves his MG42 out to flanks, which lets me push with a Shock trooper for smoke nade while Penal comes in and satchels both bunkers.
He counters with his Stug E which forces me to retreat and lose Penal through S-mine field. Due to my fuel control I have been able to save up for KV1, I use it to bleed his infantry but his AT gun forces me back. At this point he seems to be making more and more mistakes and starts to blob more so I decide to make B4. He attempts to go for left side map and gas I stall him long enough to finally build and shoot gun, forcing his MG and 3rd PG squad to retreat.
He builds and Ostwind to counter my recon overflights and help infantry fights go his way but it is too late. I have 2nd KV1 built and catch him clumped in the middle. I bait him causing him to get stuck on the bridge and my B4 wipes both AT guns, destroys Ostwind and forces his PG to retreat or face getting wiped. He drops GG.

Despite the rough start I knew I had I could mess his gameplan up if I got KV1 out.
Losing the PG so early really messed him up, he seemed to get a lot more passive as the game went on. My guess is he had a specific army composition he wanted and didn't want to deviate.
Skipping MG and attacking with 2 Pios and 2 Ass grens really caught me off guard but I think getting an MG after the 2nd ass gren would have let him lock a side down instead of teching and going for the PG. It gave me a chance to catch up adjust what I wanted to do.