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Thread: Penals have the worst mainline infantry target size28 Aug 2022, 11:37 AM Jump back to quoted post27 Aug 2022, 23:27 PMVipper Point is there is no synergy between sprint and high moving accuracy. When it comes to sprint the only current issue is the "passive sprint" that is available to USF officers (and obers vet 5 if I remember correctly) Why are you focusing so much on the action of sprint and not the opportunity it provides? The synergy is the ability to chase away the sniper or outright kill it by getting into position. Same as sprint into faust or Oorah into flame nade/at nade. To give an example, a PF G43 player uses their 43 vision and/or flare to spot a sniper. A low level player will sprint into attack command, PF will attack at max range which means sniper will most likely retreat with some damage. However, a high level player will continue to sprint into mid-range and start firing while continuing to move forward towards the sniper allowing the player to take advantage of its high moving DPS. Whereas a JLI player will sprint to about 25 range so and stay stationary to try and pull off one extra crit shot while sniper is retreating. I am not saying sprint itself is a problem, PF having so much utility is the problem. They have a counter for a lot of different situations. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Penals have the worst mainline infantry target size27 Aug 2022, 18:44 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Aug 2022, 17:07 PMOKSpitfire I mean, obviously you would do your best to support the sniper and punish them when this happens. Don't get me wrong, Fussies definitely are not a weak unit, they have huge amounts of utility, great scaling and your point about them being incredibly easy to use for what they give you is valid. I just don't agree with the hysterical claims about them and OKW supposidly countering everything. I can only speak for myself but fussies are why I stopped playing 1v1. Against OST, you would sometimes see different strats even if they didn't deviate from meta to much. But OKW players would literally pick fussies every game, I would get excited to see Falls/JLI/221. As I try to avoid using reg Guards as much as possible, my only long range option is Airborne. I love the commanders but it gets boring playing the same way each game. I do understand from the OKW side as fussies provide the techless nade, so it puts a stop to clowncar shenanigans but it does get to be a chore trying to outplay a unit with so many strengths that also come in good commanders that also can get OBER back up if they lose any squads. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Penals have the worst mainline infantry target size27 Aug 2022, 18:33 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Aug 2022, 17:15 PMVipper 1) Sprint comes at vet 5 which usually is very late in the game, if a sniper has survived that long it has probably paid off the investment 2) Sprint disables weapon the is no synergy with the "excellent moving DPS" While Sprint disable weapon, it get you into position a lot quicker to try and take those higher damage shots vs trying to fight at max range. Also during late game there is much more going on which means a quick sprint into position can be quite punishing in regards to AI and AT. Personally, I find G43 across both factions as harder to deal with since you can keep the squad run'n and gun'n to try and get the sniper. Whereas LMG Grens, PG and Volks aren't to good at the chase. I agree with your first statement somewhat. Again, a blob pushing forward will quickly force a Sniper retreat which can heavily reduce the snipers performance. But, like you said Sprint is fairly late game so one would hope that by that point your sniper has paid itself off. EDIT: expanded first point In: COH2 Balance
Thread: supply truck ZIS 6 from Lend-Lease27 Aug 2022, 17:06 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Aug 2022, 16:45 PMVipper As far as I can remember trucks do not take up pop only 223 does. As for soviet they come with 76mm and KV-8/KV-2 that are not that "cheap fuel wise". I believe you are right, for some reason I though it was 3 POP but I can't remember if I am confusing 221/223 with the others. The 76MM is only 120, fuel same or similar to most other MEDs in the game. No one needs it for those units so why would they need it for the 76MM. The KV-8 is 145 Fuel I believe, again not much more than a regular tank despite it having heavy armor. The expended MP is better served building a cache for the team so the entire team can get tanks out a bit faster. The KV-2 is the same price Fuel wise as the other Heavies and locked behind CP. In most high level 1v1s once most of your army is built fuel usually isn't the limiting factor, MP is. In all game modes, if you go with a double AT gun stall fuel is not a concern in the slightest. 1 truck is not really a problem, its that most players who use them abuse them and make 3 or 4. I posted a game recently where both teams had players that abused the hell out of it and by late game both players were MP starved. At work, so I can't rewatch it to check if they take POP or not. EDIT: To clarify my stance, I think for Soviets in particular with Cons the unit itself works great as MP usually isn't a problem even though fuel is really in short supply. In team games, I think it is a bit greedy as it doesn't help the whole team. For OST/OKW, the MP can be a bit wasteful depending on how the game is going. Any wipes to Vetted Grens will cause massive MP bleed until they can get their Vet back(same with Obers). Therefore it will delay the expensive tank anyways as you are now MP starved instead of fuel starved. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Penals have the worst mainline infantry target size27 Aug 2022, 16:53 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Aug 2022, 16:29 PMOKSpitfire They really aren't. I think there's definitely an argument to made that they have too much utility built in to their kit, but that's a different conversation. In a 1v1 you should be able to completely bully them with penals in the early game. Once they get their upgrades it becomes a lot closer, obviously they're much better on the move and up close, but penals do pretty well against them at range. You also have the freedom to build a sniper, which the OKW player will have no reliable counter for if he goes fusiliers. Neither of these units even require you to commit to a specific doctrine. I can understand them being difficult to deal with in giant blobs in larger game modes, but in 1v1 they have pretty clear weaknesess. Soviets are probably OKW's toughest matchup. According to serelia they do similar damage at max range and both units have similar target size. I also tend to use snipers as you suggested but that falls off once recon packages and flares come online. As they are 6 man squads with concentrated DPS they can take the model drops and push towards the sniper for a retreat. At high vet they even get sprint which means a late retreat is most likely a death due to the excellent moving DPS. As others have said it requires a lot more work to counter than to use. I personally find it easier to skip the car, go 3 Penals into Guards/Airborne LMG and punish them that way. Just a side note Penals DPS and target size are wrong on serelia. They didn’t update it after march 2021. Also according to Hannibal the PF close range DPS is a bit high don’t know if that applies to long range. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: supply truck ZIS 6 from Lend-Lease27 Aug 2022, 16:30 PM I truly hate these units in team games. I can’t remember if keep capture point connected for the whole team or owner when they are cut off. Aside from that they only benefit the owner and take up pop cap. So it is negatively affecting your whole team unless your floating MP or part of an arranged team with a specific goal in mind. Edit: For Soviets it doesn’t really make sense as most of their vehicles are cheap fuel wise anyways. I understand for OST T4 or OKW heavies but Soviets seem like a waste. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Penals have the worst mainline infantry target size26 Aug 2022, 14:56 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Aug 2022, 13:50 PMVipper There is a away and it is DPS. Total DPS of squad is more relevant than the DPS of half the squad. Should be in this case. PF are badly designed and so are Penals it is a simply as that. I agree that both are badly designed. In regards to the modifiers I am talking about how each individually impacts DPS. ACC seems to be the most important but how much more important. Using Penals, as the thread is about Penals, how would a VET 2 Penal with 30% ACC/20% cooldown compare to a Commissar buffed Penal Vet0 with 20% ACC/50% cooldown? How would a Vet3 Penal compare to Vet0 Penal with mother Russia? What impact does weapon cooldown have on the different weapon profiles/flamethrower? Having a quick way to check changes would allow for more tactical planning during pushes or allow for better defensive planning. Jump back to quoted post26 Aug 2022, 14:42 PMHannibal I also assume OP has mistaken accuracy for DPS, but as Vipper said even then he is not correct since not all of the models carry G43s. Just some numbers to get this straight: - The G43 retains between 86% (close) to 95% (far) of its DPS while moving. Sidenote: Serealia's DPS here is too high, close DPS is 7,4 when static and 6,4 when moving. - The whole Pfusilier squad retains about 75% (close, static DPS 32,6, moving 24,4) to 73% (far) when moving. This is WAY higher than most other squads. For comparison: Penal's DPS gets roughly halved (52% to 57%) when moving. Same even with more mobile and aggressive squads like Pgrens (55% to 51%). There are very few other squads that compare or beat Pfusiliers on that, e.g. upgraded Rangers with 90%/78% DPS retention at close/far. However, these squads usually the same weapon on all of their models, making a model loss significantly impact not only total, but also moving DPS. And this is where the most prominent problem of Pfusies kicks in: A moving Pfusilier squad does not lose much DPS for the first 3 model losses. The Kars contribute relatively little DPS on the move, and the G43s are retained and transferred to surviving models. Therefore, there is usually no reason to stop moving for the OKW player when losing models due to the lack of punishment. Pfusies can cross large distances of open terrain on assaults, which is something that no other assault squad can provide that well. That along other factors is why we see blobs of Pfusies mindlessly charging across open field. This is my main issue with mixed model units. Sticking to PF, their DPS retainment along with vision is a bit to much as it allows PF to minimize losses in relation to other assault squads. On paper AssGuards should be better, but since they hit later/have worse vision they can be easily punished. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Penals have the worst mainline infantry target size26 Aug 2022, 13:35 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Aug 2022, 13:02 PMVipper Fact remains they do not have 90% accuracy on the move (and 80% is not 90%). The modifier on its own does not say much and one should be looking at total DPS. Allies also have infatry that are "excellent for chase down wipes" while VG and grenadiers are not. I was just commenting on him using accuracy. I agree the modifier on its own doesn't say much, I wish there was a way for the game to show what certain increases due such as acc/cooldown/moving acc/reload etc.. However moving on to total DPS, a stationary PF G43 does 9.418 while moving does 8.266 which means almost 88% of total DPS is maintained. Drops to a bit above 86% with VET, giving a quick look no other weapon maintains that level of performance on the move which is why it works so well in blobs. Again I am assuming Serelias numbers are accurate. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Penals have the worst mainline infantry target size26 Aug 2022, 12:56 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Aug 2022, 11:17 AMaerafield While it was kinda funny when (arranged) teams pulled it off, it got removed because it was broken. The combat veterancy with then double 1.3 accuracy multipliers (now 1.3 and 1.2 at vet 2 and 3 respectively) is clearly not designed with weapon slots in mind. Almost +70% dps at vet 3 and double LMG turned them into absolute terminator squads that won every fight with ease to a point where it was hopeless for axis inf. Some people even took that a step further and spammed "For Mother Russia" with then +50% accuracy It was as bad as when Conscripts had 2 slots or when the +300% accuracy cover bonus from Osttruppen applied to their slot weapons with 0 penalty Even now, with a single LMG they are great. With Airborne Guards dropping DP, I can literally upgrade my Penals also which makes them a terror at range. They are also a decent amount stronger per gun due to the vet you described. Overall, they probably should have removed a weapon slot or even both and made their VET a bit better. It probably would have been easier to balance that way. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Penals have the worst mainline infantry target size26 Aug 2022, 12:51 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Aug 2022, 10:11 AMVipper PF do not have 90% accuracy on the move: G43 on the move: 0.5064/0.3864/0.3408 K98 on the move: 0.4025/0.374/0.345 Im assuming he is talking about their 80% movement modifier which makes them excellent for chase down wipes. In: COH2 Balance