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Haha, yeah we all have those days I guess. I am waiting for a legitimate ranking system based off of performance and not just playtime. You know, like in vCoH where if you beat a higher ranking opponent more than likely you'd get ranked up, but if you lost to a lower ranking opponent you more than likely would get de-ranked. |
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Wow this game is frustrating sometimes. Nothing beats losing 5 games in a row. Even when trying other strategies. Will try again tomorrow. |
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I like the sound of that. Will definitely try it! |
it would work better!
still i would wait with this strat until german sniper gets buffed or sowjet sipers get nerfed.
have you ever played against a half-decent sowjet going t1? he will know, that you have a sniper around, so he will wait.
even if your chance is 75% to win a sniper-battle your sniper will not be worth his money. actually, the chance is 50% or lower, because your enemy has probably more units giving him more vision.
if you somehow know how to counter sowjet snipers with a german one effectively against a good player, share a replay!
I just thought of something. Recon run maybe? I think that reveals snipers (even when they're cloaked). |
a t70 can withstand three or four pakshots, so the best would have been to kite your troops. the aggressiveness depends on your build, for example a scoutcar or maxim-tech should be played much more agressive than a sniperbuild the t70 has just a small time, where it is truly effective, so you need to push push push!
i think getting the sniper after the grens and mgs is much better, because first of all you have a unit to provide sight for your sniper, to cap, to negate houses to the enemy and so on.
and im not sure, whether your opinion about the countersnipe is correct. in my games where i had a german sniper, i often lost them to sowjet snipers running around, because i sniped the first one and the second one instantly countersniped me. and that was the case, when my enemy was not caring attention to his snipers and i was! if your enemy is good, he will change his plans immediately fater seeing you sniper, he will go T1, get his sniper-team into cover, hold fire, wait until your sniper comes and boom. gg.
thats the second reason why i would build grens before getting a sniper, because if you see T1 from sowjet, i wouldnt risk to build a sniper. against a t2sowjet, this would be definetely a viable strat.
True, your strategy of course determines your aggressiveness. What if we tried replicating the vCoH strategy? Grenadiers > Grenadiers > Sniper > MG? Think it'd work?
And as I said earlier, usually I keep my sniper at max distance from the enemy. And normally my Grenadiers and so forth would be fairly close to their infantry. So assuming I shot and then as I pulled my sniper back into the fog of war they tried to counter-snipe, they would literally have to be almost next to my Grenadiers. And I don't think any Soviet player in their right mind would risk that.
That's also assuming I'm completely unaware of my opponent even having a sniper (which I always assume he does just to be safe). As well, if I do know he does indeed have a sniper, I wait for my opportunity which is when he shoots. That allows me time to counter-snipe one man, pull back, thus forcing him to retreat. You can argue, "Oh but you didn't kill him!" but I think forcing him alllll the way back to his base over and over makes his sniper equally as ineffective.
Worse comes to worse you do what a lot of American and Wehrmacht players would do. Get a second sniper. Two Ostheer snipers vs. a Soviet Sniper team.
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Didn't watch the replay...but when the uniqueness of a strategy is based around its early build order and it fails to maintain any map control in the early game, then I'd call it questionable at best. It sounds like you won that game in spite of this strategy and not because of it.
That could be true. Thanks for the response. |
watched it. the sowjet player was VERY defensive in the beginning, which is totally wrong against snipers. still he managed to get an early t70, but he just build one, was very defensive with it (why did he drove out your the base???). he didnt build a second or third, he didnt circlestrafe your pak, which would have been the end, he built t2 instead of t1, he lost IS2s like they were m3s, he never ever pulled a good flank in early ... horrible
your enemy was not even decent, but he still managed to get huge parts of the maps and control them. on other maps it might have been much worse for you.
if he had done sniper+su85spam, he would have won with ease.
still gg from you, i didnt notice many mistakes. the biggest might have been your doctrine-choice, jägerarmor or spearhead would have been much better for you!
He probably drove out of my base because he was afraid of me panzerfausting it and then getting a Pak-40 (which I started production of basically when he left the base, so it wouldn't have been too long). He was just naturally a more conservative player, which I suppose is better than being overly aggressive and careless.
Yes, it was rather odd that he didn't get Tier 1 to counter my sniper. Then again, he probably had entirely other plans in mind, and an entirely different strategy that he didn't want to get offset by just one of my units. So he probably told himself "stick to the plan" in hopes that it would work, and it could have if he'd got SU-85s. Not to say I couldn't have killed his SU-85s, but it would've been a lot tougher than T-34s which are practically useless at the moment aside from being able to ram my tanks (cheap ability).
I don't think you noticed, but the reason I went Jager Infantry was because his first T-34 barely managed to escape my Panzer IV, so I picked that commander and dropped artillery on him at the last second lol. COMPLETELY agree though, I will definitely now start trying this strategy with Jager Armor and some other commanders.
Thanks for all the advice and constructive criticism. With it I think we can actually make something here that is legitimate, not so fragile, and works. |
panzerfausts are just a soft counter to m3, if you watch the langeskaya-tournamentgame where omgpop spammed scoutcars agaisnt tititwister, you will know, that two grenadiers are not enough, especially if you divide your forces, but even if you have them clumped up! you could build 3 grens 1 mg instead, that whould help a bit.
the thing is: you can shoot him a thousand times and you wont kill his squad. he will shoot one time and your 360mp are gone. with the current snipermeta, playing a german sniper with sowjet snipers on the field is crazy! you will lose your sniper really at some point (very early), if your opponent is good.
yes, i have played coh1 the thing is, that as WM you know, that the american sniper would come later and delay the US tech AND that you would have a good chance to kill him, because he is only a single man. a sowjet sniper will not delay his tech, will not come that much later and will probably kill your sniper, which is probably gg, because no map, ressources and the enemy has snipers.
an early scout car might help, but guards and mines are just an easy counter to the scout car. a clever opponent will wait until he has guards, then tech t1, get two snipers and snipe you into hell, while you have nothing to counter him.
i think the t70 doesnt matter, because it comes much later than guards or mines, which already counter the SC.
moar fuel is always better 
btw. have you seen the langeskaya-tournament? if not, do so! one t70 is nothign to fear, two will kill you slowly, three will instarape you with this strat
So Sniper > Grenadiers > Grenadiers > Grenadiers > MG-42? Hmm, could work, I will definitely take your advice and try it. You'd have more infantry presence that way too, not just a soft-counter to the M3.
A well microed German Sniper should have no problem against a Russian one. I wait for him to shoot, I counter-snipe, then pull back. Always staying at max range. More than likely he'll retreat. You don't have to necessarily kill his sniper, just keep him away.
Well I think that's a bit of negative thinking, that the Soviet sniper will more than likely kill mine.  If anything it just comes down to who can micro better. You keep your sniper at max distance when shooting a Conscript squad, for example, the sniper will need to more than likely be right next to the Conscript squad for the counter-snipe. A bit close for comfort, something a decent Soviet player probably wouldn't do if he was patient.
Going out of the way to build an entirely separate building plus two sniper squads and 1-2 M3's would definitely off-set his strategy and tech in my eyes. Aren't Guards doctrinal? So that scenario would theoretically only work if he picked the correct commander. I think the best course of action then would be to get a Pak-40 if your enemy has Guards and mines. |
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