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NKVD commander is the worst among all those commander trees, there's little to disccuss about that, the armored assualt is somewhat gimped cuz lack of Guards or Shock troops or proper support ability(never consider IL-2 strafing useful) |
KV8 + Su-85 = gg always. I´m not even going to play Germans after this patch. The nerf-club hit the Germans so hard that it´s almost impossible to win 2v2s. Yet Su-85 still can sit back and KV-8 toasts retreating vet3 PGs in one burst.
Elefant+Tiger says hi, seriously, just look at the 2v2 ladder, German side have terrifying streaks than the soviet side, you have trouble playing German in 2v2? Then go Soviet 2v2 to feel the might of Ostheer |
120mm is the only thing remain in soviet arsenal which could do something terrbile????
Are you serious? What about the KV8 and God Mode Snipers?
there's already a whine post about kv-8,feel free to make a new one |
I know "western propaganda". Have fun denying it. The IS-2 could fight back Tigers and Panthers, yes. Nobody is denying it. But claiming it was a super tank impervious to Panthers and King Tigers is ridiculous. Also German infantry was well equipped to knock them out in form of Panzerfaust and Panzerschreck. In fact Russians couldn´t get their tanks anywhere into cities without heavy infantry support.
I don't mentioned single word about IS-2 is a super tank vs. King tiger, and do German panzer commandant able to fight an intensive urban fight in their tanks without a heavy infantry support? |
the is2 is pretty much a brummbar with 50% more damage, over 50% more armor, 95 more penetration, slightly more distance scatter, and a turret. brummbars dominate infantry. so does the is2. the is2 is much better at AT than a brummbar as well thanks to the damage, penetration and turret.
you want the is2 to be able to kill panthers and tigers as well? what exactly do germans counter an is2 with then? your realism argument has no place here. this is a game. it really doesnt matter who had the better gun or armor.
Paying 40MP/40FU more than a tiger or paying nearly double the fuel cost over a panther, and still have little chance of a end game heavy tank engagement?
"what exactly do germans counter an is2" same words send back to you: what do soviet counter a Tiger if a 40MP/40FU more expensive tank failed to do their job badly?
Your balance argument seems some what fail |
this is obviously a more extreme example, but thats like saying its a problem that an ostwind loses to an su85 because theyre the same price. not quite the same but you get my point.
the soviet heavy tanks are far better than the german heavies against infantry. thats why they arent as good at AT. youll have to get a dev to answer why they chose to make it like that, but as it is now, you cant buff their AT ability unless you take away some AI in the process.
IS2: 2.86 distance scatter, 7.5 angle scatter and 5 AOE
ISU152: 13.2 distance scatter, 5 angle scatter and 6 AOE
Tiger: 4.3 distance scatter, 7.5 angle scatter and 2.5 AOE
Elefant: 10 distance scatter, 7.5 angle scatter and .5 AOE
the tiger is pretty much a slightly improved p4 against infantry (about half the distance scatter and .75 faster shooting speed). the elefant is obviously worthless against inf. the soviet heavies just put them to shame at AI.
near doubled rate of fire and Greater durability, and 40MP/40FU cheaper, that's the problem |
Actually it could somewhat fight Tigers and Panthers on almost even terms. The accuracy of the German Zeiss optics is unmatched at the time though. Also I advice you to read a bit about the gun of the IS-2. It had to be aimed again for every shot. The rate of fire was 3x higher in Panther and Tiger. All tanks could defeat each other frontally at about 1000m - with the difference that Panther and Tiger were much more flexible, accurate and could fire faster.
As you are so horny on sources, here´s something to Google translate:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/IS-2_%28Panzer%29
"Der Panther wies durch seine höhere Motorleistung jedoch eine bessere Beweglichkeit auf dem Schlachtfeld auf. Die Kanone des Panthers war der 122-mm-Kanone des IS-2 geringfügig überlegen, sodass sich die beiden Panzer gegenseitig auf etwa 1000 Meter ausschalten konnten."
Translation: The Panther had a better motorization and thus a higher agility. The cannon of the Panther was slightly superior to the IS-2´s 122mm, so that both tanks could take each other out at distances of about 1000m.
Conclusion: Congratulation, the IS-2 could go head on with the Germans standard medium tank of the time.
L70 75mm capable of penetrating 120mm 60 degree sloped armor at 1000m? AKA 240mm armor penetration at distance of 1000m, even a Pak43/KwK43 won't be that confident
congrats,political propaganda
http://www.battlefield.ru/js1-js2.html |
So far, this is my (newbie)experience playing 2v2 as germans: I do quite well early game. Then I gradually lose the advantage. In t3 I get a pz4. Going ostwind seems like suicide, since I have access to so little reliable AT. The pak sucks big time. Screcks cost 120 munitions. A lone soviet medium tank will crush my ostwind. So pz4 it is. Now I try to maneuvre so I can use my tank to my advantage. I can't get close to hardly any soviet infantry, because their heat-seeking AT granade destroys my engine and renders my tank a sitting duck to SU-85s. Their 120mm mortars destroys my fortified positions as well as static units (mgs, etc. of course I can reposition them, and I constantly do, but the mortar has a huge range and it is difficult for me to "out-mortar" them). If I try to push to take out their mortar positions, my tanks get damaged by a SU-85 shot from out of nowhere and I have to retreat it to save it.
to master a faction, you'll have to play both, 120mm mortar is the only thing remain in soviet arsenal which could do something terrible, PZIV can't fight a SU-85 head on of cuz, but the PanzerShreck in COH2 is far more accurate from what is was in vCOH, and you can get a Tiger or Elefant especially you play 2v2, your team must have a elefant+spotter scope on the field, the rest of the thing is just pure rape, try to save resources when you hit 4CP and get the elefant as soon as you reach 5 CP. |
- And could fire 2-3 shots a minute. Had horrible accuracy as the gun was to big for the turret. After each shot the gun had to be moved into the standard position to reload it. After that it had to be aimed AGAIN at the target.
- In fact the IS-2 was as "fast" as the Tiger (37 km/h for IS-2, 38 km/h for Tiger. Both on roads).
The IS-2 is overrated. Big gun and big armor alone don´t make a good tank.
Also as you are bringing up realism: Germans weren´t running away from SU-85s. 
There's only criticism of rate of fire of JS-2, it's 120mm slope armor is not something to be underestimated, The JS-2 accuracy were never to be criticized as well perhaps you have source?
BTW, JS-2 is not overrated at all, it is the only few allied tank could withstand a direct shoot from tiger or panther tank and capable to fight back at that time.
In the game, the JS-2 still lose to a inevitable Tiger tank which is much cheaper, that is the problem |
How come? Why are ostheer the strongest late game faction in 2v2?
Strongest late game unit in late game? |
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