UGBEAR is just a troll. Blaming others to be "Reich"-fanboys just because they proof him wrong. He even refused to believe Panzer IV (H) and StuG (G) could defeat the T-34/76 on longer ranges than the T-34/76 could do.
He actually reminds me of this epic thread starter, years ago. IS-2 best tank, invincible!
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=7019
Did I said JS-2 is invincible? Your Panther L70 75mm Kwk42 gun could penetrating 240mm equivalent armor at 1000m and claim something ridiculously nerfed before it even haven't been in the game is a pure Reich fanboy proof
Prove me the Panther Kwk42 L70 75mm main gun could penetrating 240mm RHA armor at a distance of 1000m or stop trolling or fooling others. |
This was what i have saying i Quote it out for you:
You should buy better glasses or read more carefully.
60° from vertical is the exactly same angle as 30° from horizontal.
Because 60° + 30° = 90°.
you Reich data is 30°, IT IS A RULE TO MEASURE THE SLOPE FROM VERTICAL PLAN I SAY AGAIN,
THE JS-2 mod 1944 is 60° BY THIS STANDARD, IF YOU CAN'T COMPUTE IT, SO LET IT BE
"IT DOESN'T MATTER" WON'T SAVE YOUR MATH |
It doesnt matter.
If IS-2 has 30° sloped armour and the Penetration data for the panthers main gun is also tested against a steelplate of sloped 30° then it says that the panther can penetrate 174mm of armour at a distance of 500m against a sloped steelplate at 30°(which is exactly what the IS-2 sloped armour is).
30° = 30°
It seems you don t understand that or you don t want to understand it.
You could also ask: please, tell me what is the equivalent Penetration for the panthers main gun of 174mm at 30°from horizontal plane.It doesn t matter.
And the IS-2s main gun was aso not the most accurate since it was a howitzer gun and howitzers tend to be unaccurate.Not to mention the extremely slow rate of fire of 2 shots per Minute of the IS-2, while panthers and tigers could shot 8-9 shots per Minute and the guns where much better accurate.
I m sorry to say but IS-2 wasn t the wonder tank you want to see him.
I say again, it is a rule to measure the sloped armor from vertical plane, if you are not even capable of computing the equivalent 120mm 60° slope armor , and just ended up by saying "it doesn't matter" ,what's the point of arguing if you don't know anything about it?
continue your "30° from vertical = 30° from horizontal" comment, " It doesn't matter" won help you do your math better. |
Math for fanboys: 90° - 60° = 30° (from horizontal).
60° from vertical = 30° from horizontal.
The datas are from horizontal not from vertical.
then please calculate the horizontal equivalent armor for me and then we can judge whos fan boy, the standard of measure the sloped armor is the angle fron vertical plane of cuz you won't know that.
The data shows nothing about it's measured from horizontal or vertical, if assumed it's measured from horizontal,if you believe a world war II KWK42 L70 75mm gun could penetrating 300mm equivalent armor at 1000m, just keep this to yourself.
please, tell me what is the equivalent armor of 120mm at 30°from horizontal plane |
It seems that you can t life with the fact that your super IS-2 wasn t a godlike tank in reality that nothing could stop.
But it s ok i will Point it out for you to make it clear:
30° = 30°
LOL, 60° , again, please, don't mess up the JS-2 early with Mod 1944
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Maybe you should read the data more carefully.The datas ARE for sloped armour.
@30 degree, the data didn't show the degree mark "°“,let's have a 500M best penetration 174mm/sin(60)=200.918<240mm
your point? |
Panther had no Problems penetrating IS-2s frontarmour.
tarrif.net
Go german/soviet flag and then vehicles there are Penetration datas for all tanks:
Gun Penetration at 500m distance(choosing the best shell for all tanks):
Panther Gun Penetration : 174mm.
Tiger Gun Penetration : 155mm.
IS-2 Gun Penetration : 147mm.
ISU-152 Gun Penetration : 124mm.
SU-100 Gun Penetration : 167mm.
Jagdpanther / King Tiger / Elephant Gun Penetration : 217mm.
Panzer IV Gun Penetration : 108mm.
T-34 Gun Penetration : 64mm.
T-34/85 Gun Penetration : 107mm.
Panther Gun Penetration : 174mm. at 500m JS-2 Mod 1944 120mm sloped armor at 60 degree to vertical= 240mm,
there's no evidence Panther penetrating a JS-2 Mod 1944 at 1000m in human history, please don't mess up the JS-2 early(steped armor one) with JS-2 Mod1944(which represented in game) |
Don´t even try it. I already showed UGBEAR another source that the Panther could defeat IS-2s frontally on about 1km. He even asked for that source but then seems to ignore it anyways. Maybe it doesn´t fit his image of Russian super tanks.
As for the 40:1 statement. You are comparing a medium tank with a Heavy tank. Of course the numbers are different there. Better compare the 50k T-34s to the 5,7k Panzer IIIs, 10k StuGs, 6k Panthers, 9k Panzer IVs rather than 1350 Tiger I. A proper comparison would be IS-2 versus Tiger I , which is roughly 3:1.
A direct comparison is hard anyways as Russians mostly relied on the T-34 as their main tank while Germans had more different types as their "main" armor. Still a huge numerical advantage for soviets but not 40:1.
As for the uselessness of the statement: I´m sorry you can´t see a scheme in the game. It´s not that hard.
Last but not least: Why are you talking about an IS-2M, UGBEAR? Someone with your knowledge about tanks should know that it was in fact a version of the IS-2s deployed in the 1950ies.
The JS-2M mod 1944 can be also called JS-2M, "Kwk42 L70 penetrating 240mm armor at 1000KM" definitely only a pure reich fanboy will believe that, the KWK44 128mm can barely achieve this score.
Ignorance+cheery picking more please |
Nice useless comment.
Well, just for you then: Experience with Coh2 has shown that most heavier tanks are nerfed compared to their real performance to balance them. Panthers in Coh2 for example are often penetrated frontally by 85mm guns etc.
I´d prefer something lighter added to the game, which is more balanced by nature, like Hetzer and Jagdpanzer IV. Then I wouldn´t facepalm as hard if their shots bounce from KV-8s or if they die to Su-85s (although even Hetzer and Jagdpanzer IV still had sufficient frontal armor  ).
Most Useless comment indeed....
did T-34 have the 40:1 numerical advantages vs Tiger in game? Did T-34/85 have problem penetrating PZIV in reality? Can a Panther often penetrating a JS-2M frontally?
cheery picking enough about the "reality" ?
BTW: calling something ridiculously nerfed before it even comes into existence is already the most useless comment I've heard in this forum |
SU-100 was more the equivalent of a Jagdpanzer IV performance wise. If it´s supposed to be balanced, I´d prefer a Jagdpanzer IV over a ridiculously nerfed Jagdpanther (compared to reality).
call something ridiculously nerfed even before it comes to existence..... |
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