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Thread: SdKfz 221 vs M3A1 (weapon performance)11 Jul 2013, 11:05 AM To be honest, my only fuzz about the 222 (Upgrade) in particular is the severe specialization you're paying. Considering that Ostheer has a general overall-munition starvation through-out the game. I remember back in Alpha, and I don't think we'd want to go down that route again if anyone was familiar with it. But nevertheless, I think it really does boil down to specific approaches on this. Either keep it a specialized upgrade, but adjust the munition cost for the 2cm canon. I don't know if I speak for everyone in the room, but I know once my scout car with the upgrade has killed the specific-target it was designed to kill, it loses alot of value and just runs around the battlefield doing close to nothing useful. Hell, I'm not even sad if I lose it. The actual default upgrade isn't so bad esp. in conjunction with the rest of the german roster. (I'm not a big fan of direct-comparisons, since it's kinda moot when the factions play so differently anyway) The Scout Car with it's default weapon has a good means of just being a plain nuissance and maintaing map control. But the chances of it controlling the map is often diminished as further the game progresses, but I suppose this is offset of it's cost & timing. It's T2 with a pity cost afterall, so I don't expect it to be massively super-strong, it's just meant to maintain some control, and pressure. Not ensuring battlefield skirmishes to turn in your favor. Once you get vet rolling on it, and keep it alive. It's not that bad really, I really do like the normal scout cars. But once you progress through a certain state of the game (mid-late) that's when you probably shouldn't resort into getting scout cars at any point. You're more looking into the heavier hitters. Sometimes, units aren't just meant to be brutal-efficient killers. Sometimes they're just more on the role of "Pressure/Map Control" type of role, and I just assume this is what the scout car does, and it does it relatively well if you ask me. I'm just weary of the fact if there's a buff increase down the road, it might be translated more into a "Skirmish" role, where you can effectively use to to cause more damage in the actual big fights, it might tip the favor of the Ostheer. Espicially such early-stages of the game. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: metacritic score 11 Jul 2013, 10:52 AM Was it hard to make a story about SOLDIERS (like Panzer Elite campaign in CoH1) not WAR CRIMINALS? I can't understand why Germans deserve a good story and Russians are not I'm getting so frustrating reading this over, and over. Either people haven't played the campaign, or they have a severe lack of paying attention to the narrative. Spoilers ahead The Protagonist isn't about to unveil the world of the "criminal" acts that the Russians commited. It's about honoring the sacrifices of those men who died for their country, and to make sure that others would survive. Our "Antagonist", isn't neccasarily displayed as evil as you would think. For him, it was about protecting Russia, no matter the cost. But he never saw it the way our protagnist did. He towards the end of the game, regrets the acts that he commmited, and seeks some sort of redemption- by allowing the protagonist to escape, just before his execution. He saves the last bullet for himself. Seriously, I'm so annoyed by the sheer magnitude of "haet" the campaign gets, as people spur the bs of "Russian stereotype" and "dem russiens be evilz". When the only displays of this, is only done really by the "Antagonist" of the campaign. And possibly some misc. stuff, but there is seriously, some good tid-bits of just sheer comraderie & heroism. Seriously, if anything. The Campaign does a good job of portraying heroism & comraderie of the average Russian soldier. This was the whole freaking point of the "book". How the hell did people NOT listen to the narrative? I say, they just assume what the campaign is, or haven't played it for shit. In: COH2 Gameplay

Thread: SdKfz 221 vs M3A1 (weapon performance)11 Jul 2013, 11:05 AM

To be honest, my only fuzz about the 222 (Upgrade) in particular is the severe specialization you're paying. Considering that Ostheer has a general overall-munition starvation through-out the game.

I remember back in Alpha, and I don't think we'd want to go down that route again if anyone was familiar with it. But nevertheless, I think it really does boil down to specific approaches on this. Either keep it a specialized upgrade, but adjust the munition cost for the 2cm canon. I don't know if I speak for everyone in the room, but I know once my scout car with the upgrade has killed the specific-target it was designed to kill, it loses alot of value and just runs around the battlefield doing close to nothing useful. Hell, I'm not even sad if I lose it.

The actual default upgrade isn't so bad esp. in conjunction with the rest of the german roster. (I'm not a big fan of direct-comparisons, since it's kinda moot when the factions play so differently anyway)
The Scout Car with it's default weapon has a good means of just being a plain nuissance and maintaing map control. But the chances of it controlling the map is often diminished as further the game progresses, but I suppose this is offset of it's cost & timing. It's T2 with a pity cost afterall, so I don't expect it to be massively super-strong, it's just meant to maintain some control, and pressure. Not ensuring battlefield skirmishes to turn in your favor.

Once you get vet rolling on it, and keep it alive. It's not that bad really, I really do like the normal scout cars. But once you progress through a certain state of the game (mid-late) that's when you probably shouldn't resort into getting scout cars at any point. You're more looking into the heavier hitters.

Sometimes, units aren't just meant to be brutal-efficient killers. Sometimes they're just more on the role of "Pressure/Map Control" type of role, and I just assume this is what the scout car does, and it does it relatively well if you ask me. I'm just weary of the fact if there's a buff increase down the road, it might be translated more into a "Skirmish" role, where you can effectively use to to cause more damage in the actual big fights, it might tip the favor of the Ostheer. Espicially such early-stages of the game.

In: COH2 Gameplay

Thread: metacritic score 11 Jul 2013, 10:52 AM

Was it hard to make a story about SOLDIERS (like Panzer Elite campaign in CoH1) not WAR CRIMINALS? I can't understand why Germans deserve a good story and Russians are not

I'm getting so frustrating reading this over, and over. Either people haven't played the campaign, or they have a severe lack of paying attention to the narrative.

*Spoilers ahead*
The Protagonist isn't about to unveil the world of the "criminal" acts that the Russians commited. It's about honoring the sacrifices of those men who died for their country, and to make sure that others would survive. Our "Antagonist", isn't neccasarily displayed as evil as you would think. For him, it was about protecting Russia, no matter the cost. But he never saw it the way our protagnist did. He towards the end of the game, regrets the acts that he commmited, and seeks some sort of redemption- by allowing the protagonist to escape, just before his execution. He saves the last bullet for himself.

Seriously, I'm so annoyed by the sheer magnitude of "haet" the campaign gets, as people spur the bs of "Russian stereotype" and "dem russiens be evilz". When the only displays of this, is only done really by the "Antagonist" of the campaign. And possibly some misc. stuff, but there is seriously, some good tid-bits of just sheer comraderie & heroism.

Seriously, if anything. The Campaign does a good job of portraying heroism & comraderie of the average Russian soldier. This was the whole freaking point of the "book". How the hell did people NOT listen to the narrative? I say, they just assume what the campaign is, or haven't played it for shit.

In: COH2 Gameplay