Profile of NanoNaps

I also agree that the game can and will develop positively.

I would also like to give Relic my money, but when i buy an RTS, it cant be helped that I, and others are judging the game alongside SC2. It IS the most competitive RTS, and arguably the only truly competitive RTS at the moment.

How has Relic not asked itself the simple question of "What keeps a game like SC alive for so long?"

SC2 and CoH are drastically different, but that was also what made CoH so successful. The play was different, the pace was different, and the tactical mindset that it required was different; all of which were stellar for the game, Relic, and the RTS community.

So, what happened?

Inadequate planning, lack of understanding of the RTS community, income streams, and years spent on projects that were meant to make quick money rather than foster a following...

Starcraft 2 is still (after 12 years) the worlds most competitive RTS and vast swaths of players continue to play it not because it offers something it didn't already offer in the past, but because it offers precisely what if offered in the past.

See, they understand that the only reason they can release expansions every 2 years into infinity is because the game is competitive. And they never even had to add a race!

Relic's mistaken assessment of the value of competition is only too apparent, and painful in many ways to a gamer who saw gold in the original.

Well, to be honest. What makes Starcraft is just the 8 years it existed before CoH.

Don't get me wrong, SC is a good game and i played it like a lot and still play SC2 from time to time.

At the time SC came out, there was not a huge amount of competitors and SCs fast gameplay and decent balanced made it popular and those competitive.

What people need to get is, that not the game itself is the reason it is competitive but the fame it has. There are a lot of players playing the game. Those you have a huge "casual" crowd that watches tournaments and stream, which leads to sponsors getting interested into top-players and tournaments to advertise their products.

That is all a cause of the "easy to learn, hard to master" gameplay of SC. Everyone can understand how things work quite easy and what unit does how much damage and has what life and what armor and so on.
CoH is not as friendly to beginners as SC and those it will not attract the amount of players that SC does. Also the competitive SC scene was established for about 6 years when CoH hit the field. Players are attracted by games that have a big competitive scene already.

For CoH2 to compete with SC2 in terms of competitive scene, there has to be a lot of things going wrong in SC2, no matter how good CoH2 is. That's just how it is.

Yes, who can imagine how long it takes when it took a massive two weeks so far...

Have a little faith eh, did you read any of Ami's blogs?

Well, yes, it is only 2 weeks, and i don't mind them taking some time to do overall balance.
But stuff like strafe is a good candidate for just getting a hotfix that will make it useless till they can release a patch were it is balanced correctly.
At the moment the German hits 3 CP he can just go on spamming strafe making the soviet infantry almost unable to move at all.
And all that while being cheap and having long duration + low cooldown. Which will lead to him being able to call in a new strafe run in 20 seconds after the last strafe flew of.

Something like this should not stay for a long time in a game that wants to be competitive.

They should just nerf it to the ground till they release the real fix.

I mean, if it does not make it in the next patch i can't imagine how long it takes for the next balance patch... so that would be a long time for an ability to be that OP.

I am searching someone to farm the grenadier +damage bulletin.

Don't get me wrong, i don't think bulletins are big of the deal in general, but i stumbled upon a issue with them that can break early conscript vs Gren balance.
The issue is the health upgrade by 3% which actually will increase the health effectivly by more.

the thing is, in early game a conscript squad with has 80 health per unit, so they can take 4 hits of the gren rifles (20 damage a shot).
now while the health upgrade only increases the health by 2.4 that leads to Grens needing 5 shots so 25% more.
Same goes in the other direction:
cons usually need exactly 5 shots to kill 1 gren (80 hp with 16 damage per shot) with the health upgrade it will be 6 so an increase by 20%.

both these can be canceled by the +damage bulletin of either side. But while the conscript damage bulletin is easy to reach by just playing, you probably won't be able to kill 5 heavies with grens just by playing as usual.

So basically if i don't use gren +damage i am at a disadvantage (needing 25% more shots to kill cons)
And because i just want to cancel out these issues i need someone to help me get the gren upgrade.

(all this ofc if bulletins are not bugged like i read somewhere)

edit: ofc i will also help you get the upgrade too.

it is about the principle to not use "op" tactics and not only about the maxim spam

Sorry, there is no such thing. Just because you can't beat something others should not play it?
So what are the tactics you seem OP?

Is Scoutcar OP? well, okay, won't build it.

Is T70 OP? Okay, i won't build it.

Is SU85 OP? Okay, i won't build it.

Maxim Spam OP? okay, i won#t build it.

If you go by the common guy on the official balance forum you won't be able to play anything anymore, because who decides what is OP and what is not.

yeah but it was the "only" way to beat it and that sould not be in a game like coh2

It was not the "only" way to beat it, it was just the easiest to beat it with.

tried 2Xsniper but then the soviet simply gets a m3
and the mgs are to fast for the mortarhalftrack or the normal mortar
tell me your tactic against the mg spam which works with good micro

first of, if the enemy spams maxims, you know how much it costs him to "simply get a m3 out" ? Do you even know how the Soviet faction is played?

There is only one map i would agree that maxim spam is OP, and that is Pripyat (not winter) because there are only 4 paths across the river which is easy for someone using weapon teams.

What the Soviet sacrafices is mobility. Yes, Maxims set up fast, but to get them there is a long time spent on building the T2 building. he also has rather few cons and has no T1 so no scout cars.
What does that mean? right, you have to take the mobility. Those adapting to 5-6 inf squads early and going were his mgs are not (or flank them). Don't blob your units or you are at risk of getting them all suppressed when you accidently run into mg.

Go for T2 and get a flame HT. Now the risk is, that he has AT-guns out. But that is were you can use either doctrins or just a mortar. Everytime you charge an MG you just smoke infront of it so you can use the smoke to advance with infantry aswell. also, if you know the position of a AT-gun smoke it and charge by it. The easy counter to the whole mg spam is smoke. The a bit harder one is just FHT without smoke.

After FHT go for a PGren squad and P4s (order depending on the way the game is going).

On summer Pripyat you will ahve to use smoke excessively or you wont be able to get your infantry anywhere. Those at least 2-3 mortars are needed. Not the best thing but at least that works for me.


That all said, the maxim spam indeed is annoying. But just because it is boring to play against not because it is to OP.
Sadly i can't give you a replay because i did not encounter a Maxim spammer the last 2 days and did not save the older games (just started saving all my replays)


Also, most balance issues don't come from the units itself, but from the bad maps.