Profile of Firesparks

while I do think the grenadier is a bit on the fragile size, their upgrade sort of make up for it. The USF and sov might have bigger squad size, but it feels like they bleed significantly more as well. Even a USF or SOV victory is going to end with them having more losses than the wehr or even okw.

I also prefer to buff the gren's received accuracy bonus or squad spacing before turning them into 5 men. Even the 4 men tommies doesn't have that much problem with squad wipe like the grenadier.

I did not claim that Penal should be weak. I don't even think that they are actually weak, I have even seen games be won with an early aggressive use of them against OKW trucks...

And that is why I have suggested that one should not try to fix them only by boosting their DPS, and should also get more abilities/utility...

It is an idea worth trying, so give them Gaurds Mosin that have 1.4 far DPS instead of giving them 6 weapon that will be superior in all ranges and will allow them to bit G43 grenadier (at all ranges)and even win against PG and SP...The problem is not that they will have to much DPS far but that they will have too much DPS in all ranges, axis units should be able to have an advantage at some range

You can probably test it in miragelfa's mod it has numbers that are that high if I remember correctly

R.E. or assault engineers not riflemen...Any one buying a flamer will actually see a drop in damage against target further than 20. Is there any real point in debating flamers? Penal currently can fight infatry but their kit of flamers and satchel charges makes the unit excel in clearing garrison fighting units in heavy cover and blowing up buildings...

this is getting nowhere. If we can't even agree on the most basic point that penals are weak there's really no point in going forward.

I think the two extra scoped enfield is actually there to discourage people from using double bren gun, by making it easier to drop them.

of course, it's possible to just prevent the tommy from buying two bren in the first place. I've manage to code the weapon rack to only allow one bren per squad, but at the same time allow the tommies to replace any lost bren.

Any idea why soviet some sort of doctrinal infatry call-in in most of their commander? Any idea why some of these call in infantries are some of the most cost efficient units? Any idea why most of the Soviet stock units do not excel in anything? It could be pure chance on hand or it could design...


Not if the rifle that is suggested has great DPS in all ranges allowing to beat early stock axis infatry in all ranges. Shock troops are great only if and when they can move in close, with the suggested weapon Penal would dominated in all range and that is bad design.
What do you think would happen in the game if axis suddenly had T1 access to P.Fuss that come with 6 G43 (no At grenade)?
Creating 6 men stock units that are very good in all ranges will create more problem than it will solve. Penal should either use SVT and be average (close) very good (mid) average (far) or bolt action rifles and be average average very good.
At least that is my opinion.

Flamer and LMG are both weapon upgrades but the similarities end there...Flamer are weapon designed to deal with cover and garrison. Why you insist in this? If penal need a new role they need a new role regardless of what their previous one was...

having duplicate units in the doctrine is not unique. Fallschirmjager is an alternative to the ober. stormtrooper is an alternative to the panzergrenadier. The croc is an alternative to the regular churchill. The wehr mortar HT is an alternative to the regular wehr mortar

Just because the faction have access to a possibly stronger doctrinal alternative, it doesn't mean the non doc version needs to be weak. The regular wehr mortar is still quite good even if the ht mortar outclasses it.

To say that penal is weak because that's the way it's intended is just affirming the consequent. The effects alone is not enough to prove the cause to true, unless it's the only cause. The penal could be weak just as due to balancing error.

base Penal lack abilities like the rifleman's smoke or even the conscript's oorah. Their firepower is their main draw. Going t1 also put the soviet in a slight resource disadvantage due to the cost of the building itself.

the intent of the boost is to allow the Penal to fight the grenadier on roughly equal ground before the upgrades arrive. 1.4 is number that might or might not work. I believe it will work and am willing to test it.

Any one who ever buy a flamethrower for their sapper, pioneer, sov engineer, or US rifleman will easily see the boost in damage, even against unit out of cover. That boost in damage easily qualify the flamethrower as an anti-infantry upgrade as well as an anti-garrison upgrade.

I think you missed the point; if Penals were just better cons - which would be the case if they had AT etc. - then you could end up where Cons never get built, and you;re back to the same problem: one of the units in the roster has no function.

My idea for the At satchel was to make them more like the gammon bomb. Useful against slow and heavy tank but not so much against the nimble ones. You would still need conscript for the at nade against anything that can dodge.

the penal would basically be the anti-elite unit. Flamethrower to roast the ober and satchel to wreck the king tiger. They are penal/suicide squad because they are expected to tackle the axis' strongest unit.